Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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probably got a 50 bed hide away in a thousand acers of rotunda.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Reginald Barrington wrote:Why would it be unworkable, considering it was the European parliament recomendation?
The very fact that they like it is one thing but more importantly it would not eliminate border checks leaving a lot of Kent in a permanent traffic jam.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Should be html at end of link Howard.
Though it's really not worth reading just another scaremongering story from whingeing remainders!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Brexit is still full of promises and threats most of which mean little until they become fact.
I guess all the inaccurate waffle saves the media from actually hunting out important new stories.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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Brexit job losses have already started,some big names have been lost,a lot more on the rocky rocks now.
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Bloody hell, I hope you’re not one of the tutors?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Matthew Parris in the Times.
The case against Brexit will never be won by argument. Protagonists on both sides have invested too much to back away now: debating defence mechanisms have warped our minds and proofed us with counter-arguments against all comers. Meanwhile the great majority of the general public are simply bored by the debate. They look on in disbelief, strangely detached.
So you can forget logic, it is useless. Both sides are entrenched and the audience aren’t listening.
You can forget prophecy too. Prediction is useless. Project Fear and Project Hope on each side have brought deep scepticism about forecasts of any sort by anyone with an axe to grind. Two sets of zealots wrestle with each other in the tar-pit that is the Brexit debate: locked together in slow-motion combat that has taken on an almost ritual aspect. Remainers and Leavers: we are all swivel-eyed, now. For the immediate, it is useless to talk of second referendums and replaying the whole ghastly debate.
Only events could now break the deadlock. Not political events — they are unreal to most — but real news, real developments that touch people’s daily lives. People don’t want to be told, they want to be shown. That is why the story this newspaper broke about near-panic at Airbus is tremendously significant. British business, industry and the City have proved poor lobbyists on the risks of Brexit. So has the trade union movement. All tried to make their case during the referendum campaign but little of it cut through. Since then these lobbies have occasionally piped up but more often piped down. It has sometimes seemed as though the wealth-creators in our economy have been taken hostage by history and, half-gagged and bound, were being pushed towards a destination they never chose but were helpless to avoid.They were being neither lazy nor cowardly but realistic. There is now deep scepticism in Britain about lobbyists, lobbying, the honesty of capitalists and the public-spiritedness of trade unionists. We think they’re all in it for themselves and will twist the truth accordingly.
But when the risks of Brexit translate into real commercial decisions about investment and jobs, that is when voters will sit up and listen — and in truth, apart from warning noises from Japanese carmakers, newsworthy decisions have been thin on the ground. Airbus’s decision to start planning for possible disengagement from the UK economy is the first. If there is more such news to come, expect opinion to begin shifting. Two weeks ago I sat down with a ferociously determined but unusually candid Brexit campaigner. He told me the public had made up its mind and little would shift it. “How about a big factory closure?” I asked, “that would cut through, surely?”He was too honest to demur.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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I see airbus is threatning to pull out the country if there is a no deal
Button- Location: Dover
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On the grounds of untenable border delays, according to a BBC interview I saw today. I'm surprised they don't regard other aspects as more worrying - makes you wonder if they have the right consultants.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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airbus probably have the right ones, and its not the british government.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I can't work out what the point of yesterday's demonstrations was. With regard to a second referendum it is not a simple yes or no like the last one as there will be too many aspects to the final deal for it to be that simple. Supporters of the other demonstration appear to just want us to leave with no deal, maybe forgetting that we will still have to pay out 40 billion to the EU.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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the whole thing is in disarray,big firms are threatning to decamp the uk, big firms like airbus, bmw and now seimans, if we come out with a no deal.
John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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You’re right Brian, the whole thing is in disarray, but mainly due to our side’s willingness to show a complete lack of strength and conviction in the “negotiations “.
However, shouldn’t worry too much at this stage about so called “threats”, that’s all it is in reality, a threat. Just big businesses making the right noises in support of the EU, which they no doubt feel they are obliged to do!
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Regrettably, the protests and many protesters against BREXIT are as confused as the government's negotiations for BREXIT. There is an unhappy mix across the nation but many don't know what they are unhappy about!
Fundamentally, what is the best outcome for the UK? I would suggest: access to trade with the EU without having the unfettered immigration mandate and not being restricted on developing trade links outside of the EU; borders but express lanes for pre-checked freight and registered passport holders (i.e. repeat visitors, British passport holders - I concede the Irish border issue is somewhat trickier to administer); the ability to look at EU laws passed into statute here and repeal, amend or re-vision them as appropriate; take control of our agricultural, fishing, manufacturing and other industries; realigning our environmental policies with a global outlook whilst obeying the Kyoto treaty and Paris accord; doing away with "Invitation To Tender" nonsense and allowing councils and government agencies to do what to best for the people they represent rather than neo-liberalisation at all costs. What is so contentious about those things? If those ideals are negotiated on and the government regularly briefed the nation on how it was progressing, there would be much more harmony.
Of course, as I have previously stated, the BREXIT issue should never have been left to any one party to administer - there was an opportunity to get a cross-party BREXIT team together and bind them in a pact akin to the Con-Dem coalition document, but based exclusively on the BREXIT negotiations: a kind of BREXIT cabinet with the shared responsibility (like cabinet ministerial collective responsibility).
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Any business wishing to leave the UK can. This leaves a lovely development opportunity for smaller businesses to exploit and improve their market share. Those that leave should expect their UK order book to diminish as a result. A nice opportunity for the state to launch businesses and revive industries which it has been previously hamstrung from doing under EU law.
I'd also be inclined to put a windfall tax on any exiting company than has been enjoying the UK's favourable corporation tax. Isn't the argument for low corporation tax along the lines of them bringing in employment to the UK? They can't have their cake and eat it after all.
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