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- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,057
More fool Boris (if that's actually possible). This is water well under the bridge and surely totally irrelevant now? I did vote in the referendum, but I wasn't influenced by either campaign (other than to switch to a different channel on the TV), nor the cost of it.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
I think the vast majority of people had decided how to vote as soon as the Referendum was announced, the claims and counter claims from both sides sounded hollow with statistics plucked out of the air.
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
And how much did the Remain campaign (i.e. the Guvmint) spend?
Their mailing to every voter in the land must have cost £20m alone!
Seems that 1. the playing field wasn’t anywhere near level and 2. we are being fed large helpings of sour grapes here.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,299
As a passionate leave supporter, I have absolutely zero interest in this story. Yet another thing that is completely intangible to the general public.
Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,073
This business goes way beyond Brexit. A large and complex web gradually emerges from the morning mist: so though we may have Leave.EU (UKIP, Farage, Banks) and Vote Leave (Johnson, Gove, Stephen Parkinson - adviser to May), BeLeave (Vote Leave's 'yoof' wing), Veterans for Britain and the DUP, we also have Cambridge Analytica (preliminary campaign work for Leave.EU) and Aggregate IQ (data and advertising for Vote Leave, Veterans for Britain and DUP). But there's also SCL (Cambridge Analytica, Alexander Nix), Steve Bannon (ran Trump's campaign, formerly on the Cambridge Analytica board, Breitbart), Facebook, Trump's election, private psy-ops and who knows who or what else. Intriguing, and more a spreading vine than a few sour grapes.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/24/aggregateiq-data-firm-link-raises-leave-group-questionsGuest 1292 and Guest 1997 like this
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,880
If the Remain camp had won the referendum we would be hearing similar so called news from the Leave lot so this is as Pablo says sour grapes time.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,299
Must correct the record. I said leave, I meant remain. Easily done
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Guest 1292- Registered: 23 Jun 2014
- Posts: 23
It's about democracy. We should all give a damn about it. [URL]/URLhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/24/cambridge-analytica-brexit-vote-leave
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,057
I was wondering when Rules of Origin would get mentioned...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43516496(Not my real name.)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
This will turn out to be complicated and time consuming with HMRC having to visit businesses to verify the percentage of UK origin. Purchase invoices etc would be needed as supporting documents.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
- Posts: 3,370
So the new Dover Labour party candidate's background is,,, in 2015 she voted Tory and supports a soft leaving the EU? ,, in other words, an EU IN,, in an EU out constituency??
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,299
I wouldn't worry about it, Keith. Charlie voted to remain - although his subsequent about turn shows that he simply backs the winning horse. John Redwood, as pro Brexit as one could possible be (born in Dover, btw) has a large remain constituency - whereas, Anna Soubry, who wants to remain, has a pro leave constituency.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
- Posts: 3,370
no Neil it was one of the other candidate, the one that was on question time
don't know why miss Bliar didn't get it, she was very approachable and actually debated with me in Dover.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Stacey is very down to earth and was born and brought up in St Rads.
Anyway Lord Farage(as he would like to be) is banging on about an opinion poll that shows most Brits would support leaving the EU and cutting the six counties off from us as unimportant.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Backstabbing Torys.
Made by: Caroline Nokes (The Minister of State for Immigration)
HCWS560
Croatia
We will today inform the European Commission and the Croatian Government of our decision not to extend further the transitional restrictions on Croatian citizens’ access to the UK labour market when they expire on 30 June 2018. This is in line with the provisions of the Accession Treaty for Croatia, under which temporary restrictions have been in force since Croatia joined the European Union on 1 July 2013. There are only three remaining member states (Austria, Slovenia and the Netherlands) who also currently impose transitional restrictions on Croatians, and will need to consider the case for extending these before July.
Since 2013 when Croatia joined the EU, their citizens, unless exempt, require authorisation from the Home Office before they can take up a post in the UK. After 12 months’ employment, Croatians are free to work in the UK without restriction.
It was always the case that these restrictions were temporary and it would only be legal to extend them further if there was an economic case that to do otherwise would cause or threaten serious labour market disturbance. We have examined the evidence carefully and no such case can be made.
The UK labour market is very strong with near record levels of unemployment and employment. There is a low volume of flows from Croatia to the UK, and a low number of resident Croatians in the UK. Long-term international migration flows suggest an estimated total as low as 4,000 long-term immigrants from Malta, Cyprus and Croatia arrived in the UK in the year to June (ONS, 2017). Estimates of the total number of Croatians resident in the UK in 2016 are below 10,000 (ONS, 2016). The cultural/social network ‘pull’ factor is limited, particularly given the much larger Croatian diaspora size in other EU Member States (e.g. Germany).
This is in contrast to our consideration of extending controls for the EU2 (Romania and Bulgaria) when our economy was still fragile after the recession. Figures at the same point of those transitional controls showed there were around 57,000 Romanians and 35,000 Bulgarians living in the UK.
Our conclusion is that there is insufficient evidence to satisfy the test of ‘serious labour market disturbance’ that is required to extend the restrictions.
The decision not to extend the restrictions will mean that Croatian citizens will be able to seek and obtain employment in the UK on the same basis as currently enjoyed by all other EU citizens.
We will not discriminate between nationals of the EU member states in our implementation of the Citizens’ Rights deal. Croatian citizens will be able to apply for settled status on the same terms as all other EU citizens.
We have been clear that we will take back control of immigration and our borders when we leave the EU, and we will put in place an immigration system which works in the best interests of the whole of the UK.
This statement has also been made in the House of Lords: HLWS541
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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It'll be interesting to see if they will be deployed on immigration duties or freight clearance - UKBF being HMRC's "sub-contractor" at the border.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,073
Great that Dover's on the front of a national rag, but inexcusable that the view's obscured by the weasel words of that flaccid Churchill wannabe. A bit like sinking into your cinema seat as the lights go down only for the widest, tallest, BO-reeking crisp-chomper to take the empty seat in front.
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
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