Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
the answer is simple, stay in the customs union, thus cancels out the irish back stop. leave on the 29th of march.
stay in this for 6 months and work out the way out leagaly altogether with another referendum.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 5,984
I agree Jan.To have to vote for the European elections .The money this will cost.The MP s who have led us down this route should hang their heads in shame.When we have people using food banks ,school budgets cut.,roads needing repairing and our poor NHS This would not have happened in Margret Thatchers day.Not that I was a great fan of the lady but she was strong.Our current Prime Minister has lost her way .We are a laughing stock .Whats that saying about a .....up in a brewery.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
I won't copy and paste the article from tomorrow's Sunday Times as it is too lengthy but the gist of it is that supermarket's are now rationing goods for home delivery with drivers complaining of delivering huge quantities of tinned foods and bottled water. Wartime stuff with corned beef and baked beans but no mention of spam or powdered egg.
I thought that recent happenings meant there is no need for it as things look safe for another 3 months.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Regardless of this week's voting in the Commons, we are still legally bound to leave on March 29th unless a new statutory instrument is raised or May's 3rd meaningful vote turns out in her favour.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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From the Sunday Times - The PM looks to be in a winning position.
Theresa May will tell Conservative MPs this week to back her or risk never leaving the EU, after she was warned that if her Brexit deal falls, parliament would have the power to delay the UK’s departure indefinitely. The prime minister will tell Brexiteers they have until Thursday to support her or risk a “collective political failure” in the form of a “Hotel California Brexit” where “you can check out, but you can never leave”. Advice from officials, leaked to The Sunday Times, says that if the deal fails to pass and the prime minister is forced to request an extension of article 50, Britain would have to hold EU elections and MPs would then be able to impose limitless delays on departure from the EU. The warning comes as senior Eurosceptics signalled they may swing behind the deal. Iain Duncan Smith, the former Tory leader, told friends that Brexiteers should “jump together” if the Democratic Unionist Party supports the deal.
In a further boost for May, Matthew Elliott, one of the architects of the leave campaign, urged MPs to get behind her. Writing in The Sunday Times, he said: “If MPs vote down the withdrawal agreement for a third time this week, Brexit probably won’t happen. But if MPs do allow the vote to pass, we will leave in a matter of weeks . . . We will be free from the EU’s political institutions by the summer.”
Jacob Rees-Mogg, leader of the European Research Group, is privately keen to get on board and is urging Boris Johnson to join him. Another MP, Daniel Kawczynski, said yesterday he would change his vote because the “mood in my constituency is now changing quickly” and “we may lose Brexit”.
The prime minister is planning a third attempt to get MPs to approve the deal on Tuesday before an EU summit in Brussels on Thursday.
If the deal passes, No 10 officials say the necessary legislation will have cleared the Commons by April 25, paving the way for a new Brexit Day in the final week of May or first week of June. But if the deal fails, May will be forced to request a long extension of article 50 and hold EU elections, at a cost of £100m. Last night May said: “The idea of the British people going to the polls to elect MEPs three years after voting to leave the EU hardly bears thinking about. There could be no more potent symbol of parliament’s collective political failure.” The leaked advice, circulating in Downing Street, reads: “Once the UK has taken part in the EU elections, there is effectively no limit to the number of extensions of article 50 the UK can ask for or be required to ask for by parliament.” A senior source said: “We could be in the EU forever.”
The same message was passed by the European Commission to ambassadors in Brussels on Friday. They were told: “It is possible that there is more than one extension.” In an effort to drum up more support, two of May’s most senior aides and at least four whips have sounded out MPs about whether they would vote for the deal if the prime minister agrees to resign. Grant Shapps, a former party co-chairman, endorsed the plan: “The next stage of the negotiations around Britain’s future partnership with the EU will require a complete change of the negotiating team from bottom to top.”
May is at the mercy of a “gang of 15” Brexiteer MPs who won’t budge, including a “suicide squad” of around 10 plotting to vote with Labour in any no-confidence motion. If the Tories lost such a vote they would have 14 days to install a new leader or Jeremy Corbyn could become prime minister.
Corbyn will host cross-party talks tomorrow to thrash out an alternative soft Brexit plan, likely to commit Britain to permanent membership of the single market and customs union.
One of the Tories he has invited, Nick Boles, resigned yesterday from his Grantham and Stamford constituency party, saying that the “values and views” of local activists demanding a no-deal Brexit were “at odds with my own”. May will offer the DUP a new deal tomorrow, including a “Stormont lock” clause in the UK’s withdrawal legislation to ensure EU regulations imposed on Northern Ireland would be adopted in the rest of the UK, or rejected in both. There will also be a “clarification” but not a “rewrite” of attorney-general Geoffrey Cox’s legal advice. Ministers expect to funnel another £1bn to the province — but only after the deal passes, so it does not appear to be a bribe.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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She'll get her deal over the line next week. Charlie is a good yardstick - he always backs the winning horse so if he comes out in favour of it, you'll know that's where the popular opinion is going.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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It's almost funny. May's deal was never going to be what the knuckledraggers wanted from the moment she accepted Barnier's edict that the negotiations had to take place in 2 distinct phases - the first being "we'll tell you what we want for you to leave" and second being "we'll tell you what you can have afterwards". They screamed and howled and bellowed the word principle at every possible opportunity.
Now the reality has dawned that there is no better deal than staying as we are. Most polls show that the majority are coming round to that point of view. So now the knuckledraggers principles start to evaporate as they fear they might lose their precious all together.
It reminds of the one of the Marx brother quotes which I can only paraphrase - these are my principles and if you don't like them then I can always find some more.
Wait until round two starts and people really start to understand what leaving the single market and customs union means.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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So, Charlie has put out a video saying how terrible everything is, but not actually gone as far as to say he won't support the PM's deal.
Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
- Posts: 2,387
howard mcsweeney1 wrote:I won't copy and paste the article from tomorrow's Sunday Times as it is too lengthy but the gist of it is that supermarket's are now rationing goods for home delivery with drivers complaining of delivering huge quantities of tinned foods and bottled water. Wartime stuff with corned beef and baked beans but no mention of spam or powdered egg.
I thought that recent happenings meant there is no need for it as things look safe for another 3 months.
I've been stockpiling water - down the pipe in my kitchen
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,658
I do not like David Starkey or the Mail but I found this article food for thought with this being the most pertinent couple of sentences
"The People voted 52 to 48 per cent to leave; an estimated 74 per cent of MPs voted to remain.
No representative assembly can sustain such a gulf. Either People or Parliament must give way."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6818107/Historian-DAVID-STARKEY-self-satisfied-politicians-launched-coup-Brexit.html?fbclid=IwAR3Ebq8-fpj9mztfrl11N4iDQu1OrqoEXJeNkGZ-azNuJfBh-RaQxt3-P6U-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
waiting with baited breath to see what the minions of parliament will vote for on Tuesday.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Brian Dixon wrote:waiting with baited breath to see what the minions of parliament will vote for on Tuesday.
I think it is a fairly safe bet that they will vote for it and then the fun starts. Barnier will want strings attached to any extension and will have been discussing it with the 27 member states. My guess(and it is just that) any terms would include a second Referendum.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 2,907
I look forward to seeing Mr Elphicke competing in the Tour de France; all that experience of sitting on the fence must mean that he could cope easily with those thin racing saddles, don't you think?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
another dup bung coming.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Despite what we were saying earlier forecasts this evening suggest the PM will pull the vote due on Tuesday again.
That reminds me.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
full version of the above post
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,681
What is this man on?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47607186
How many times have the EU said that the deal is the deal and they wont change it?
They especially wont change the backstop given it was the UK that asked for it...
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 2,907
Dunno, but I do hope it's manufactured abroad!
Seriously, I thought the UK proposal regarding the ILB in a ' no Withdrawal Agreement' scenario was inspired - do absolutely nothing (and cross your fingers the WTO plays along). As Sherlock Holmes said "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth”.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 5,984
Wonderful Brian
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
I thought Boris had been rather quiet lately and rather typical of him to come up with a "new idea" even though the EU will not discuss any changes to the deal on offer. It will probably go down well with the activists and that is all that matters to him.
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