Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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The thing is how miliband calls it a tax but he does tend to jump the gun on such matters and opens his gob before engaging his two last remaining brain cells:
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Tax, pleb. Pleb, tax. It's all the same for red Ed.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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That's right Philip, you have hit the nail on the head. Its not a tax it is the pleb-tax. So unlike the common-or-garden variety, for with the Window-Tax, for instance, the bricking-up of the aperture was enough to avoid it's imposition.
With this new 'Pleb-Tax' pretty-much nothing can be done to miss out on paying it.
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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BarryW
"It is in the overall package of reform GaryC".
That's not an answer to my question, so why add my name to it?
Take cuts to housing benefits for committing the sin of having a spare bedroom out of the "overall package" and tell me how this will get people Disabled people back into work?
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Destruction's hoving into view
reflected on a mirror in the sky
if fearful that your end is nigh
best look out... Behind you...
More winging "ne'er-do-wells"...
Protests grow over benefit cuts...
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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We have just received our discretionary payments for having 1 extra bedroom. It was granted for 13 weeks but that ran out two weeks ago because it took their department 15 weeks to make a decision and I now have to re-apply immediately, adding to their workload.
The departments dealing with this benefit cut, are trying their hardest to keep up with the extra workload and it must be very stressful for them and I would like to thank them for what must be soul destroying for them.
This is not their fault but they must be fed up with being in the firing line all the time, people need to remember that these workers are not just being overworked but also having to remain impartial, must be another burden that they have to bear.
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Keith Sansum1
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today on the news there saying theres little saving in the overall scheme
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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There can be no 'savings' for there never was any overspend. Accommodation is very seldom tailor-made to fix needs exactly. All this talk of it being 'unfair' to pay people for rooms they don't need is Orwellian "Doublespeak".
The huge added costs of administering this Benefit claw-back, similarly - for the reassessment of claims for those who downsize (or upsize), (mass) evictions - police & bailiffs, removal costs, B&B costs, the price of resultant stress and illness etc. etc., are only offset by the few that cough-up £14/week, and by so doing add greatly to costs elsewhere.
Of course, should any of the adverse effects of this policy lead to hardship, hunger or homelessness, well, it is after all a pillar of the Conservatives' ethos that individuals have the freedom to suffer. So, in fact with this suffering you are only getting from the Tories what it says on the tin.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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cant disagree with you tom
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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27, Tom I agree fully with the first two paragraphs. Regarding the third, I think you have misread the tin; or perhaps not read it at all, but listened to what Miliband has told you about what it says.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I am nonplussed Peter, that you think Miliband has anything to teach me.
I notice that kindness has eluded you on this occasion Peter, I would have accepted the rough wording of the label, there was never any need for precision, the gist would have done well enough.
This bit I got from BarryW, well nearly, there was no 'to' in his version, just the usual airy-fairy flim-flammery.
"it is... a pillar of the Conservatives' ethos that individuals have the freedom to..."*
* #4 here...
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Ill-conceived policies ......................
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One third of disabled people asking for help with 'bedroom tax' have applications rejected
Critics say there is a 'postcode lottery' for grants meant to protect the vulnerable
Almost a third of the disabled people affected by the so-called bedroom tax have had their applications for help with the payments refused by local authorities, a survey has found.
When it brought in the controversial levy on "surplus" bedrooms in council-owned accommodation, the Government said grants known as discretionary housing payments (DHPs) would protect the most vulnerable.
It estimated that around 420,000 disabled people would be affected by the bedroom tax, often because they require additional space for treatment equipment or to provide somewhere for carers to stay.
Yet according to the research from the National Housing Federation, responses from 98 local authorities showed that on average 29 per cent of disabled residents had their requests for a DHP grant turned down.
The survey also highlighted what appears to be a worrying "postcode lottery" of payments. In parts of Kent, the success rate for disabled applicants was just 14 per cent.
Related story: Councils could be banned from using the phrase 'bedroom tax'
Full story Independent.
Jan Higgins
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I think the bedroom tax is one of the most unfair of all the changes bought in by the government, the other being the £40,000 child benefit fiasco.
It was so badly thought out from the start by simply not ensuring there were enough properties for those forced to downsize to move into while the disabled seem to have been the group unjustly hit more than others.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Agreed partly jan
probably the cobbled together lot should have got there own house in order before tackling others
but the policy doesnt appear to have done them any favours and also have affected a lot of people
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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driven themselves into a corner on this one, if they do the usual u turn for new claimants they will have to recompense all those that have been penalised so far.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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and with little savings,,,,
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Where is Compassion in this policy ?
The bedroom tax on bereavement: Grieving families to face spare-room benefit cut within three months
Families will be hit by the bedroom tax if a room remains unoccupied for just three months after the death of a family member, bereavement charities have warned.
There have already been several cases of families in social housing told that rooms left "spare" after the death of a child or other family member will become subject to the controversial spare room subsidy.
Currently households are given 52 weeks before they are reassessed, to allow them to decide whether to move or to re-occupy the room before they incur cuts to their housing benefit.
But under the Government's flagship Universal Credit scheme, which will see housing benefit rolled in with up to five other benefits in one monthly payment, the stay of grace is to be cut to just three months, the National Bereavement Alliance (NBA) said.
The group said there was an urgent need for a review of the financial impact that recent changes to welfare have on people who have been bereaved, warning that the Government risked adding to the "distress" of grieving families.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I feel this is a very bad tax and should be stoped .This came about just to get a few ex bob out of the public but it will back fire on them come voting day . If there are 3bedroom council houses about that a family needed to bring up a family but they are now growen up and left ,so there is no need now for mum and dad to have 3 bedrooms then yes there must be away to aske them to go to a two bedroom home or even one bedroom,then it should wrote down when they first move into a council house and they sigh that they will move to a smaller house when the family have gone ,And for familys that are already like that now, They should be asked to move out to make room for a family that needs the bedrooms, but this is not the right way to go about it.
