Reginald Barrington
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Jan Higgins wrote:No wonder the government along with its advisors have made such a pig's ear of the situation with this only just being promoted. I knew about this weeks ago from TV reports and later confirmed by my neighbour who luckily made a fairly quick recovery from the virus.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52704417
It was known about before the week before we went into "lockdown"
Can you imagine the headlines if the government had announced it as a symptom and it was proven not to be?
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Jan Higgins
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Considering all the different symptoms that seem to go with this virus surely the more that were/are promoted the better especially when it is members of the medical profession giving the information.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Deputy chief medical officer Professor Jonathan Van-Tam explained the change, saying it was important to "introduce it at the right time when we think it's going to make a difference moving forwards to how we pick up cases".
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-loss-of-taste-and-smell-added-to-official-symptoms-list-11990305Arte et Marte
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Oh please. Virtually every developed country had been including anosmia as an identifiable sympton for weeks. Were they all so precipitous in their judgment?
Spin over substance every time.
Captain Haddock
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For God's sake Ray which bit do you not understand from what JVT said?
PLEASE show evidence that ' virtually every developed country' etc or are you just making 'facts' up?
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Reginald Barrington wrote:
Sorry I know I am only a thick old lady but I can not help but wonder how many cases if not deaths might have prevented the unknowing infected from spreading the virus if this had been publicised ages ago.
Maybe time to explain why now, could it be simply that more people are mixing with others, I guess better late than never.
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Brian Dixon
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here button get your teeth in to this.
Weird Granny Slater
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This anosmia explains much. How else can the government have missed the high scent of dodgy science and continue to chew on its maggoted meat?
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Jan Higgins wrote:Sorry I know I am only a thick old lady but I can not help but wonder how many cases if not deaths might have prevented the unknowing infected from spreading the virus if this had been publicised ages ago.
Maybe time to explain why now, could it be simply that more people are mixing with others, I guess better late than never.
Not at all Jan, that's why we look to experts for figuring out the best course of action, much like the government.
From my perspective its late inclusion is because it is down the list of symptoms alongside headaches, aching muscles and sore throats, I have at least 2 out of 3 a couple times a week.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Dodgy science? Science is science is science. Fact and data based.
The interpretation is the difficult bit?
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#630 I understood it all. Unlike you, however, I've learned not accept everything that comes from the press conferences as undisputed scientific fact.
There are 17 other countries including (believe it or not) the US who have included anosmia as an identifiable symptom of Covid 19 before our reluctant acceptance of the facts. If you want to all the names, go to the WHO site.
The professional body for ear, nose and throat specialists (ENT-UK) have been calling for eight weeks for anosmia to be listed as a marker for asymptomatic carriers. It issued a joint statement with the British Rhinology Society (BRS) on 20 March, it said. “We estimate that many hundreds of thousands of patients in the UK have developed anosmia as a result of Covid-19,” (Prof Claire Hopkins, the BRS president.)
Every country relies to a degree on scientific data and analysis. In the case of this Cumming led government, it appears that we have chosen a different interpretation from the majority in making many key decisions. The results of this are obvious.
Please tell me, Cap'n, which bit you don't understand.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Cumming lead Govt! Almost took you seriously until then.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Top Tip Tesco.
Tell the guy at the door that you are 'only' going in to pick up a prescription at the pharmacy and he'll let you avoid the queue and you can do your shopping without queuing. ☑️
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Captain Haddock wrote:Cumming lead Govt! Almost took you seriously until then.
I prefer to adapt his name to a singular form. Somehow it seems more appropriate.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock wrote:Dodgy science? Science is science is science. Fact and data based.
The interpretation is the difficult bit?
Nope. For beer you need hops, starch, yeast and water. But the different varieties and qualities of hops, starches, yeasts and waters will affect the quality and flavour of your brew; but sure as hell if you then run your brew through a dirty muslin bag, you’ll get a dirty beer.
What? ‘Epidemiological modelling isn’t like home brewing’, you say! Well, how about weather forecasting (see, e.g., Dr John Lee, BBC World at One, 12 May 2020)? There have been many demolitions of Ferguson's play kit, but this is a decent summary of some of its history:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/six-questions-that-neil-ferguson-should-be-asked
Of course, it’s not Ferguson’s fault: death’s his business, so the bigger the figure… No, the fault’s with the incompetents who ‘followed the science’, trashed a way of life, and won’t own up to their mortal, catastrophic mistake, but carry on regardless with their discredited policy.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Science is rather like statistics you can often choose the outcome you want according to the question or hypothesis of the subject.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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So much for privacy, if it can happen once it could happen again. Ross in #515 has been proved correct,... " the fact that they have outsourced the "track & trace" call centers to Serco to name a few."
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Recommended listening for anyone keen on factual analysis of the current situation rather than bluster and waffle. The sort of programme that the BBC does best and it exemplifies why the current government is so ambivalent towards it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000j949Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Looks like satire was a victim of covid-19 too.
The slave mentality in these various accommodations (e.g. publicans developing one-way systems, perspex-divided seating areas, and mobile phone distance-ordering; 2-metre square child-boxes in school playgrounds) makes me gag.
And self-subjugation isn't even in the coronavirus regulations.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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The Europeans fortunately have no expression which is the equivalent of 'dropping like flies'.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"