Yet another tory government stitch-up.
- 13 June 2012 00:06177798Looks like Barry's favourite party, the blue rinse hippies, are at it again. They intend to hold an, erm excuse me while I surpress a long and satisfying chortle, enquiry into wind farms and the economics therein.
Of course We all know the outcome of this nonsense but it will no doubt be defended by Barry with comments such as "Your'e obsessed" and "I take a balanced view" etc. etc.
And one wonders why growth is negative. I wonder if our local MP has anything of any note to contribute besides "Yes build more of them".
http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/energy-and-climate-change-committee/news/wind-1/ - 13 June 2012 01:33177799The secret to effective energy production, what could this be?
lips sealed.
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 13 June 2012 05:56177800Nuclear energy Alexander.
So-called "green-energy" is simply too expensive and unreliable. People all over the country are suffering a very high price for wind-farms.
People who are for or against, will put there arguments and I'm sure there'll be fabricated figures made on both sides. Ploughing through all the bull will not be easy, perhaps not even possible.
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13 June 2012 06:06177802there are pros and cons of boh arguments
its lkely to be even more expensive your routeALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 13 June 2012 07:39177819It comes as no surprise that the dim choose the unclear.
Far off, we hope, is the day when you can stand upon the sea front and comment, "Ach, there's not a breath of tide today!"
The science and the business of Carbon Capture are making great strides. In addition to a recent proposal to convert CO2 into gypsum and fertiliser via sea-water - that I cannot find the web-link for - there is this...
http://biorecro.com/?page=news
Maybe such news will pop-up here...
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/cclp/index.phpIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 13 June 2012 12:35177892Nope, Roger.
Nuclear energy is not cost-effective nor safe.
Britain would go bankrupt twice-over to find the funds to build the number of power stations required to obtain 100% dependency on electricity production from atomic power.
The Government are wringing their hands for the answer to effective power production, (cost effective, and respective of the carbon emission goals).
And Japan's nuclear problem last year came as a warning to governments far and wide. Germany is going ahead with pulling out of nuclear power production.
Scotland already has a policy to ban nuclear power production - for anyone who hasn't studied Scotland's energy production policies.
Meanwhile, oil and gas supplies depend on an intricate network of production and transport, the former exclusive to producing countries, the latter via pipelines and sea routes.
Then we have fracking, which would require the mass-shattering of underground rocks, and also there are proposals for the ignition of underground coal-mines. These two elements of energy production are closely related to bust and boom
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 13 June 2012 13:24177899Alexander
Nuclear, specifically the newer designs, are the safest forms of power generation there is.
Nobody is suggesting that all power should come from nuclear, a mix of power generation is regarded as important for strategic reasons. - 13 June 2012 13:48177902Barry, what official statement or scientific evidence do you produce for your assessment? Chernobil, Japan, two evident disasters that contradict your claim.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 13 June 2012 14:22177905Statistics Alexander.
How many people have died from nuclear accidents over the years VS how many people killed by coal mining, industrial smog, oil platform fires, etc, etc....???Been nice knowing you :) - 13 June 2012 16:21177912Well said Paul. Even the older reactor designs were safer than most other energy generation while the new designs are far superior.
- 13 June 2012 17:38177925Up till now, Paul's statistics are correct.
However, safety with Nuclear V any other power, would be dramatically different in the event of a natural disaster or man-made disaster.
The difference between a wind farm disaster and a nuclear power station disaster would be massive and I can't see a terrorist group or some despot with a missile, choosing a wind farm as his target, over nuclear reactor.
Alex should have included deformities and early deaths, that are still occurring, due to the two disasters that he mentioned."My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum" - 13 June 2012 17:50177926Perhaps the terrorists could put up a giant wind-break and grind the country to a halt
Been nice knowing you :) - 13 June 2012 19:28177945Coal is king on safety
Coal is king on decommissioning
Coal is king on building expense.
Coal is king on supply we are sitting on 300 years worth,We could have got at this supply cheaply, but some fool filled-in the shafts.
Nuclear is safe, until you have a war ship lobbing shells at it, or enemy aircraft dropping bunker busters on it.
Tidal needs looking at it never stops, unlike wind
Coal bit dirty, not that good, but the chinks build 1 every 20 days so what t.f
And the extra 40'000 cars on there road every week, I think we can forget global warming . - 13 June 2012 19:43177947Nuclear power won't be an option in Britain, the Government in Westminster are aware of the dangers, and the prohibitive costs of new atomic power plants.
Germany, a major manufacturer of nuclear power plants, havs not only decided to keep to the original plans to shut down all reactors once their expiry date is reached, but is pulling out of building atomic reactors for other countries too, including England and Wales.
As for carbon energy to produce electricity, that too is not a favourite option with the Government UK, owing to costs of prime materials and to carbon emissions.
Gov. is after the optimal energy production method, but can't find it.
Oh and it is there, mind. "Somewhere in England"
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 13 June 2012 19:52177949Absolutely correct Keith coal is indeed King. With modern power station design they are no longer the smog causing machines they were in the early days. That's progress and ingenuity if ever there was.
As for nuclear indeed a fine example of technology bringing benefits to us all.
However there is not one single "green" method of power, save reservoir and dam methods that actually work. In fact virtually every single "green" measure put into practice over the last thirty years be it solar, wind, electric cars as prime examples have ended up being proved to be a crock. An expensive crock at that.
But, of course, things being as they are, we are at the moment stuck with a generation of politicians and pressure groups and canny business people and the deluded masses who still assume that they have power over nature. It'll take another generation to combat the myths surrounding environmentalism so that we can get on with the job of progressing as a species and really doing something about world poverty which, ironically, environmentalism has done it's best to make worse.
So re-read the link I posted at the top and take note of one of the questions to be raised at this enquiry:
"What methods could be used to make onshore wind more acceptable to communities that host them?".
As I suggested earlier this amounts to a stitch up. An exercise in spin and not science or cost/benefit analysis.
Then read what Tim Yeo, the environment minister says at the end of that piece. More spin, more lies.
Finally take note of Tim Yeo's declaration of interests and then learn of the corruption we have in this process:
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/tim_yeo/south_suffolk
Makes you feel rather sick doesn't it? Especially if you voted last time. - 13 June 2012 21:36177959Although personally being in favour of nuclear energy: to suggest that what we have is safer than what has gone before is equal in naivety to those that have made flawed reactors. Why design a reactor that will discredit the very longevity of the concept?
Surely the irony is in looking to future generations to dictate the failings of finding sustainable fuel sources.
If this is an intelligent statement, then how do we make more coal? - 13 June 2012 21:43177960Coal can be clean........east kent has enormous quantities of Coal......
- 13 June 2012 21:56177962All fuels will some day run out unless they crack fusion
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13 June 2012 22:58177968well some interesting comments
maggie did decide it was time on the mines
but maybe they are in for a come back??ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 14 June 2012 02:10177986Keith, if coal mines were in for a comeback, all the development projects for settlements in East Kent would need be cancelled.
Taking into account that ignition of underground coalmines to exploit gas has not been developed, and could have catastrophic consequences equivalent to a thermo-nuclear explosion if something went out of control, for example if unexpected underground oxygen caused an explosion, then the only option would be to dig the coal out of the ground, or employ open-air pits.
DDC would hardly go ahead with a core strategy to double Dover's population if the Government had an eye on Dover's coal reserves.
Unless of-course the energy strategy changes, Gov. does a u-turn, and opens pits at Whitfield.
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