30 November 2010
22:0682511Today we witnesses our boy in blue (David Cameron)on another money saving?? soiree to Switzerland to bid for the world cup to come to Britain in 2018.
Well I trust you will forgive me if I seem a bit naive. I was under the impression that we as a country are on our uppers. I.E. Skint, Broke, near bankrupt , call it what you like.
There seems to be a trend that for the life of me leaves me completely baffled. On the one hand we are being asked to make some huge sacrifices, and in a lot of cases give up the security of a job For what???
Students will have fees imposed on them as the country cannot afford to pay for them any more.
We are just about to bail Ireland out (Sorry Paul), we are in the firing line to bail Portugal out in the near future, we are paying billions for the 2012 Olympics and today as I say blue David has found another deserving cause that needs our money more than we do
Now I may not be as bright as some on this forum for which I make no apology but even I can work out that of a nation of 60 million approximately 1 million go to football matches every week leaving a grand total of 59 million who don't (trust my maths are right
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then the question has to be asked Who represent us the majority of the population who cant see why our money should be used in this way to make a few very rich people even richer ???
If it is such a big deal, and god knows I certainly do not thinks so why cant all the people who have made their millions from the so called beautiful game ?? and there is a misnomer if ever there was put their money up front if they want it so badly.
Do not for goodness sake treat the public as the sports world's private piggy bank. If the want it then let them pay for itbecause I can think of a better use for our money, take note students!!!
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30 November 2010
23:5882515I agree with Jimmy. Please send round the men in White coats.
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1 December 2010
01:5182516I too agree with Jimmy! People who earn many millions of pounds as personal income lose contact with reality, they effectively live in another world, unless they were to give their surpluses out to those who are in need. Why should the whole Country pay many billions of pounds on a luxury that makes some enormously rich, when we are asked to make sacrifices and pay out and bail out all and sundry too? Adding to that, the Daily Express informs us that a certain Mr. Osborne has just signed away multi-billion bail-out promisses to Brussels that will ensure that we bail out Portugal, Spain and Belgium. This must be the end of the madhouse!
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1 December 2010
07:3782518I dont like football at all, or sport in general come to that. Personally I do not care if the World Cup comes to England and I will not watch a minute of it even in the unlikely event of England gettting to the final.
Also I dont really think this is something government should get involved in at all BUT - if they did not there would be an uproar in the press. So the government cant win either way.
To be fair though, what is spent on this by the taxpayer, should it come to the UK, would represent a small proportion of the economic benefit it would bring. Tourism and business would benefit from the contest being held here.
It is a gamble spending the dosh but then life is a gamble.
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1 December 2010
08:2382520I'm with Barry on this one. It is not about the Football (cant stand it personally) it is about the benefits it could bring with it.
If it is successful they may have to re-think down sizing our police forces as it will inevitably need them!!
Sheli x
1 December 2010
08:3582521Its a waste of money that could be better spent david cameron is a joke
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1 December 2010
09:2282529Jimmy Ireland Im sure very grateful for the help with bailout. The Uk was just a small part of the bailout but at the end of the day it was just a loan of course. UK will make money out of said loan over time.
And speaking of money...this World Cup is about money. It is because we here in the UK are a bit strapped for cash that we have to speculate to accumulate. You have to spend small and make big. Thats the idea!
The World Cup makes a vast amount of money. I think it was Mr Cameron who said yesterday that 9 million people here in the UK will watch it. All spending at a guess between £30 and £100's of pounds every single match. Thats a fortune. Then you have TV companies from all over the world arriving. All paying big for the coverage. Then you have millions coming to see it from overseas all paying to fly here and all staying in hotels and guesthouses, and spending then in pubs and restaurants.
Well you get my drift...thats the reason so many countries chase it because handled well it can make a fortune. And the UK with all the infra-structure already in place can make a fortune out of it.
They have wheeled out the big guns to make this happen. Prince William, David Beckham and of course David Cameron, who must be delighted to get away from the Libdems for a while.
1 December 2010
09:2882531It's an old saying but worth remembering: you have to speculate to accumulate. Especially worth it if you have the underpinnings already in place! PS - I hate football!!!
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1 December 2010
10:1882539Heaven help me I have to agree with Barry on this one.
We should be able to provide the spectacle without too much cost. We already have the top grounds and the infrastructure plus there must be some left over benefits from the olympics that could be used.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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1 December 2010
10:4182541the whole thing is a massive money spinner, that is why the prime minister is there fronting the bid.
vladimir putin has been heading the russian bid, i have no idea why people think that it will cost us money.
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1 December 2010
13:1582557We haven't got the money to spend on such projects, so better if we don't get the bid.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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1 December 2010
13:1982558alex
do try to read the thread, we don't spend money, we collect money in vast quantities.
nothing needs to be done, the stadiums are there, the transport infrastructures is there, the hotels are there.
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1 December 2010
15:0882560Pardon me if I am wrong, (I only have a simple mind) but I think Jimmy's point is that a relatively narrow group of interests will benefit from the World Cup whereas the entire country is being asked to fund the bid. Surely the football clubs and broadcasters should be dipping into their pockets, not the taxpayer?
PG.
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1 December 2010
15:3882564But a wider interest group will benefit from the economic activity it creates. This will, of course, have a knock on effect on tax revenues that will more than cover the rather small investment made with the bid.
Dont get me wrong, as I have said, I have no interest in the event at all, I find the spectacle of 22 grown men (supposedly grown...) running around a field playing schoolboy games that I grew out of at 15 a massive bore.
1 December 2010
16:0982567Just a tester (for the T
hird time)!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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1 December 2010
16:1682570i very much doubt that much(if any) taxpayers money was used in the bid.
the football association created a private company and apppointed the management team to promote england as the host country.
1 December 2010
16:2482572Howard,
You are beginning to show signs of naivety If you think for one moment that tax payers money has not been used in this bid. I dare say you are correct when you say the Fa created a private company to promote the bid. Just one small point, who represented the tax payer in this private company???
1 December 2010
17:1982583Which tax payer? I think s/he should be told.
1 December 2010
17:4382587My goodness Paul you are beginning to sound like every ones favourite tory Barry W with your "You have to speculate to accumulate".
It would appear that you have completely missed my point. If we are being forced against our will to make such devastating cuts in our standard of living for the common good, then how can such speculation on such a vast scale be justified??
People who rely on the government for sustenance are being told you will have to make do with less.
How can one say to those people you cant have help and at the same time find all these millions for what is after all just a game. Football does not produce wealth for the nation, as a whole it provides wealth for individuals. as witnessed the fortunes of Beckham and Rooney and the likes. It has to be the only business that I am aware of that thinks it is fine to have there accounts in the red year after year, still I must not drift from my original point. "Nobody asked me if I wanted the world cup" despite the taxes I pay.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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1 December 2010
18:1082589Jimmy: it is you who misses the point.
Much as it goes against the grain for me to say it football does produce wealth for the nation.
The economic boost the world cup will provide for the economy and the tax revenues it results in for one thing. A successful bid will bring in huge numbers of overseas visitors benefitting restaurants, pubs, hotels and shops all over the country just when they need a boost. It will raise the profile of the UK to benefit businesses generally and exports as well. The tourist business would not be a 'few weeks wonder' either - it will have longer beneficial effects as tournaments in other countries have shown. All of that will generate tax revenues.
These overpaid prima-donna footballers also pay UK taxes on their over-inflated earnings as do football clubs on their profits.
I agree that there is almost certainly some taxpayer revenues going into this but it is a good investment that, if successful, will create jobs.
Jimmy - we have been through the worse and longest recession in 80 years and we are not yet out of it fully. Those businesses that are emerging from this stronger are those who, when the time got difficult, made cuts to ensure maximum efficiency but also identified new markets and opportunities and invested in them. It is no different for the country and the economy as a whole, yes we must make cuts to the bloated State but some small well judged investment will pay off big time.
Not all such investment works, indeed the bid for the world cup may not succeed, but as any successful businessman will tell you that should not stop you trying to exploit a situation.
The taxpayers money involved in the bid is small on the scale of things and it is right that it be made.
This is probably the first and only time that I have defended government spending money on sport!!!! Must be getting soft in my old age.