Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
alex,it works both ways,you and me have 27 differant countrys to work in as well as the uk.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
If the minimum wage goes up to £10, my beer will go up from £2.80 to £4.50 a pint. Of course nobody will pay that, so I shall go bust and 4 more people will be on benefits.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,463
Alex
I merely reprinted the story from the Mail, it doesn't necessarily mean that I agree with the methods and data collected.
However I take objection to your snidey comment about Poles not knowing what UK meant. Most Poles speak at least 2 languages English and Polish.Others also speak French German and Russian as did my father.How many languages do you speak?Other than gibberish !
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
- Posts: 2,095
Peter.
Perhaps £10.00 ph was a bit extravagant but it was the point I was trying to get over.
Why would you have to put up your beer?
That just proves the one track mind set that I was talking about.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,463
Gary to cover his labour costs I would presume.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
Easy one Gary, to pay the wages of those still in employment.
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
- Posts: 2,095
Marek.
He would be compensated for labour cost by being paid the savings that is made from not paying out Working Tax Credits to his employee. As per my post.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,463
Gary
Sorry I have little knowledge of Working Tax credits. Thanks have re-read your post
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
- Posts: 2,095
Scrap working tax credit and pay employer tax credits, employee not on benefits and happy with wage.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,463
Sounds like a good idea .
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
- Posts: 2,095
Marek,
I am not sure that what I have said is the answer, what I am really trying to say is that we must get people off benefits, somehow, to benefit them not just the employer.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
- Posts: 2,095
Those who want to drop the minimum wage have no thought or care for the employee. That would only benefit the employer.
The employee has been discarded by all parties for many years and now he/she is being kicked while he/she is down, predominantly through no fault of their own.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,463
Yes but by subsisdising the wage paid to the employee by the govt picking up the difference means that the employer doesn'y incur any added labour costs but ups the minimum wage making it more attractive to return to work.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
And the inevitable grade compression means that all your higher paid employees will demand another £4 an hour too.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
- Posts: 2,095
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrg
They dont need anymore bloody money, they have a job and enough money
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
- Posts: 8,115
Going by post 60, and the idea of putting the minimum wage at £10 an hour, we'd probably have 10 million applications from all and sundry across Europe for every thousand vacant factory jobs.
The employers in factories/farms would be certain to choose the very, very best, the youngest, the most skilled, the cream of the milk... no, not a good idea!
Marek,
you seem to think that only you know people from eastern Europe.
However, I have also spoken with eastern Europeans in Dover, and when speaking with Lithuanians, who I quite admire as they tend to be friendly and extrovert, I usally get through with Russian, that little I know of it.
I realise the complexity of the awful "trap" (dreadful word but used so much it is impossible to avoid it) that exists around benefits. But it is really not a difficult principle to understand: in order to obtain social benefits, you have to do whatever work you are able to do and that is available, especially socially important work that benefits others. Once the principle is accepted the details can be filled in.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
the issue of career malingerers is not an easy one to solve, as evidenced by posts here referring to the clearly unemployable.
unless there is a responsible thought out work programme from central government then nothing will change
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
You have to know how to work the system to get all the benefits available, the long term unemployed certainly know which forms to fill in and exactly what they can get to milk the system.
Those that are suddenly made unemployed having worked since leaving school have no real idea what they are entitled to and really struggle.
I know of a woman who has an epileptic adult son. The family claim for his disability and two carers although he goes round the area completely on his own with his free bus pass. She does not work, her partner does not work, the son does not work but they never seem short of money because of all the varying benefits going into the house.
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