Keith Sansum1
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Andew
im afraid the last local elections showed no great opposition to the building in whitfield if in fact this goes ahead.
to be fair to p watkins(did i say that lol) the conservatives did gain the seats iun whitfield had there been massive opposition then they wouldn't have done.
so im not sure on this massive opposition
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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The population of the UK is going to explode,
So in the light of no affective border controls or reputations, we are left with the need to build.
All these new comers will need Housing and jobs; the 2 must go together,
It's easy for the wealthy, to dream of more wealth and profit from construction and land sales, but the reality is if theirs no good job created in the area, eventually this will bring about mass poverty and big social problems.
I hope the big thinkers involved in this experiment, will factor in these concerns.
PS. And have a plan B (Folkestone Road)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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quite right keith the powers that be are only interested in supplying cheap labour to employers.
there are only so much resources available and all are not finite.
out of academic interest does your plan b for the folkestone road include the use of a flame thrower?
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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No comment .
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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not like you keith b
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Keith's right, immigration is the single biggest problem the country faces but no party will address it.
Blair said we needed them to do the jobs our lot won't do, this is the result, 3m plus unemployed and nobody knows how many are here.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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tense yourself david and prepare to being denounced as a racist.
you have dared to speak about the issue that rankles with the most dispossessed in our country.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Yes I'm aware of that Howard, the debate has been suppressed for years.
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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Keith, I was not referring to a local government election - there was another poll, purely for Whitfield residents which overwhelmingly rejected the Option for most houses there.
The results have been completely ignored. I suspect a for of people in Whitfield have lost the stomach for a fight, in which case I say - grow a backbone! People in this country have become so timid and compliant it is terrifying. all vying for places in the New Order no doubt.
And linking this thread to the immigration issue, there will probably be another four million or so increase in population in the next decade, and so on, and on on.
England is ALREADY the most densely settled part of Western Europe. Some may try to continue to ignore the elephant in the room, but when they start to suffer inferior health care, increased housing costs, poorer services, increased competition for jobs, and see their favourite places concreted over, they might change their minds.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Andrew
far be it for me to fight paulw corner(im sure he is quite able)
it was fully expected that the local elections would have seen the lib dems retain the seats in whitfield, instead the tories gained them, with local people of whitfield with the full knowledge of mr watkins plans for whitfield, still voted 2 conservatives into office.
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Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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Doesn't mean everyone is OK about it though, Keith. A lot of people in the area are Tories anyway and I believe the Lib Dems were not perceived as too supportive of WAG's cause.
The many public meetings also demonsstrated clearly the strength of feeling.
When is the Buckland Mill development going to happen, by the way? How about using up brownfield sites first?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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do try to keep up andrew the buckland paper mill development is nearly complete.
have i introduced you to alexander?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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That's right, I had thought the Buckland Mill grounds would have been reestablished as a factory, to create employment.
Instead, I saw they had almost completed the building of enormous apartment blocks.
DDC must have assumed the residents of these apartments will come from Tilmanstone and the London Fancy Box factory, where employment is in prevalence given to local people. Or did I get this wrong? No, I mean seasonal workers, not local.
Unless they work in London, of-course. Got it! Olympic workers. That's it!
Full time Olympic workers from London could buy houses at the Buckland Mill estate, after all, they work in London!
Not to forget the very many G4S security personnel who are in abundance - to the surprise of the Army and Police - and have a two-decade contract with good salary...
again ... dash!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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surely andrew part of the lib dems campaign was opposing the developement where as the conservative campaign was happy to build
that was a clear direction of boh paries to which the consevatives won hands down, and if there was such massive oppostion surely they wouldnt have done?
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The first part of the Buckland Paper Mill development was for a residential care home.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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things are moving on
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i have no problem with brown field sites being developed, in fact the buckland paper mill site was overdue for being built on.
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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Thankyou for that latest bit of patronisation Howard - some of us us have been working hard all summer and haven't had time to look at the Forum much. And is latest ecursion has reminded me why I didn't miss it - the usual thinly disgusied one upmanship and reducing all issues to personal, point scoring.
And no Keith not necessarily. Maybe the politically neutered British people have lost the will to protest and feel it is pointless. Beware jumping to conclusions. Interesting that you are defending the Tories!
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Don't get upset Andrew - that's Howard's acerbic wit - can be cutting at times, but he's not into oneupmanship.
I think your point about people losing the will to protest because they feel there's no point is a valid one, but the Whitfield expansion has gone through all the due process and most if not all of the residents'concerns have been considered, addressed and included.
It is a 25 to 30 years program and a decision is being made soon about the section 106 developer contributions. I didn't realise that their profit margin is (relatively) small - 10 to 15%, while I'm sure everyone thinks that develpers make much higher margins.
Roger
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Yes Roger, the ones who make the big money are the previous owners of farmland who suddenly find their 100-acre field at £5000 an acre is now 400 building plots at £40k a pop because of new zoning. From £500k to £16 million at the stroke of a pen.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
