Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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...of activity on the forum since I have been away........
Far to much for me to catch up on but a quick glance shows the 'lefties' have been at play peddling the usual deficit denying fantasy island nonsense we have become so used to. Well, its back to real life now, the silly season is nearly over and we will be back into some real-life news and real-life problems. One thing a week in The Lake District has showed me, there is a real economy out there working hard based around successful and innovative small businesses.
I stayed in Ambleside, to the north of Lake Windermere and went out from there to explore the Lakes and all the small towns around. One day we went over a very difficult pass heading west marked 'extremely hazardous' staying in first gear in parts going up (or down) what seemed almost impossible slopes..... On another day we went Segway off roading.... best fun you can have on two wheels......
One of the great things about the Lake District is the lack of big chains... No McDonalds, no Burger king, KFC or Piza Express. Many, many small pubs and restaurants, all locally owned serving great food of a huge variety of cuisines and a massive selection of real ales, some of the best I have tasted.
One of the best meals I had was a 'beer tapas' at the Hawkeshead Brewery accompanied by fantastic beers. They really should franchise this idea country-wide, it really worked.
If you love good beer and food, not to mention great countryside and do not mind a spot of rain then I would really recommend a 'staycation' in The Lakes.
Brian Dixon
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barryw,wellcome back from the artic,i hope you have thawed out enough by now.
back to economy its not inprovinggoing down hill so to speak.georgey osbourne has to go via the back door with a large helping of humble pie,closly followed by cameron and cleggy.
do have have a nice day as those yankees would say
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Ah yes, the joys of public ownership, sustainable development and tough regulation. The one looming danger appears to be The Localism Bill.
I am glad you and the family enjoyed your holiday Barry. You've been missed...should have gone to speck-savers?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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everyone who has been loves the lake district, never been myself as i always have been looking for the sun after a year stuck in an office.
good to hear that they have control of their own destiny up there rather then letting american chains cream off all the benefits.
Guest 688- Registered: 16 Jul 2009
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Welcome back Barry,let the debates begin
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Barry says
the 'lefties' have been at play peddling the usual deficit denying fantasy island nonsense we have become so used to.
I thought it was just me, this place is like a parallel universe at times where the members are oblivious to the situation.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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...fools seldom differ?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Eh?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i haven't seen anyone on here deny there is a deficit david, the differences of opinion are on how to reduce it.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Thats not how I read things Howard, certain people on here simply want us to borrow even more.
We spend more on welfare than we collect in income tax, that means we have to borrow money to pay for it, its a situation that is simply unsustainable.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The debt of 1 trillion quid is there, and it's there to stay for some time yet.
We can't all afford a £5.000-a-night 5 star suite at Las Vegas, an $80.000 (eighty thousand dollars
) dinner for three in the hotel's restaurant (apparently the hotel's owner picked up the bill though), and a $6.000 hotel cabana for one evening with the clausus (condition) of buying at least $15.000 worth of food and drink as part of the deal.
But hey wot! we're all in this together!
(The money could 'of been donated to charity)
Anyway, the debt goes on, our apache pilots don't feel the pinch, but wot the heck..let's live and make merry
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Who's paying for all this?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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totally lost me alex, who is the individual in receipt of such largesse?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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# 11 is irrelevant to the debt/deficit levels.
We have a problem of governments overspending on the current account in excess of what the economy can sustain, just to put it simply.
Your £1trillion figure for debt is understated and can be easily doubled when you add in Brown's off-balance sheet debt and unfunded public sector pension liabilities.
The only way to deal with this is to reduce the deficit and produce a surplus as soon as possible. The surplus can then go to paying down the debt. We should also reduce future liabilities, specifically public sector pension liabilities through far more radical action than the timid proposals so far.
The deficit must be dealt with by cutting public spending and obtaining stable economic growth. Only the private sector can produce the growth so more must be done to incentivise enterprise and investment in the private sector and by de-risking business growth through reducing red tape and making it easier to employ people (that means also making it easier to cut back staff if things go wrong).
All of this must be done within a continued low interest rate environment. Irresponsible spending by the government or failure to reduce the deficit within a short timescale risks increasing interest rates through credit downgrades, increasing mortgages and business borrowing costs will destroy any benefit gained from economic growth measures and could send us into a further downward spiral.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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We all pay ... forgot now....42p a year for 'em, so they say.
No 3, Howard!
It sort of came in relation to our national debt problem, our austerity, and our all being in this together. The silly season, the lefties and all that.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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There is no way on this Earth that the deficit will be brought down to any semblance of an acceptable level because there will be no growth for the next ten or twenty years in the UK. As I've pointed out before many times politicians obsession with the environment has effectively killed off any chance of growth. You only have to take the Man or mouse debate which is currently running.
The liverpills object to any expansion to Heathrow on the grounds of saving the planet. I know, I know they're mad as a box of frogs but this is where they stand. The tory high command also believe that by not building an extra runway they can bring down the planets temperature and the labour party are equally flip flopping on the issue.
Couple this with a future energy crunch which will lead to a doubling of energy bills over the next few years to pay for windfarms and tidal barrages and other ludicrously stupid schemes and you might just be getting the picture - we are all stuffed.
There is no vision for growth. In fact the government's strategy is positively anti-growth but they think that if they lead the world in their green vision the world will follow. Erm, someone tell them that so far it's not happened. In fact India, China and other tiger nations are building coal power stations faster than ever. Indeed Germany who closed down their nuclear capability after the panic in Japan are now in the process of building even more coal fired power stations. This from the Germans!!!!!
Get used to the fact that as a nation we will become poorer and have even less of a role in the world than we do now.
Thanks Dave, thanks Nick, thanks Gordon, thanks David.
And a special thanks for those who voted for them.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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still lost me alex.
philip raises the issue of 3rd runway at heathrow, big news today as tim yeo(of all people) is urging dave to kick start the economy by going ahead with the plan.
as for wider issues philip is correct in my opinion. all these wind farms and other such schemes are costing a fortune and not giving much energy in return.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I see your point, Barry.
But should not the private sector magnates also invest their money sensibly for the benefit of the economy, and start by not taking so much money out of the economy in the first place?
Should it not be out-modish to earn millions of quid a year in these austerity times?
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Glad you enjoyed your Holiday Barry, you have certainly lifted the mood on here with your "leftie" dig, not!
Audere est facere.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Philip, the Olympics are soon over: I can't see any 3rd runway being built now at Heathrow.
The EU is stockpiling oil in view of a Gulf crisis, no-one in their right mind is going to build new runways for even more aircraft to burn the fuel away in midair.
And where's the money for millions more people to fly back and forth around the world on holidays? And where is the surplus oil to supply the means for all this?
Also, how much does oil cost anyway? Building more runways would be in total denial of everything that regards our economic reality.