Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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14 December 2010
16:5184555jimmy,still better to have a reserve than none at all.
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14 December 2010
19:0184593How much public money do you want to spend Peter?
An FOI just creates a bureaucratic waste of public resources
Talk to Jon Iverson at the Museum he will probably have them catalogued and give you a valued talk.
Sue N. would be pleased to help you as the Museum champion.
Watty
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14 December 2010
19:0384594Always love your compliments Jimmy.
Makes me feel valued.
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 December 2010
19:0584596paul
i thought john iverson was only responsible for the museum, not the council offices.
14 December 2010
19:0884597FOI is something of a last resort when other means of info gathering have failed, and it is hideously expensive for those cash strapped councils we appear to be trying to help.
Vic - sadly with each posting you simply demonstrate how unsuited you are for public office and how little you grasp todays political issues and the environment in which they float.
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14 December 2010
19:3184609Howard if you ask an FOI about the Museum, it will go thru. DDC central processes and finish up with Jon to answer somewhere down the line.
Having clocked up the £notes processing it, you will still get the same answer as a politely worded request to someone i.e. Jon ,who loves talking about his Museum , its artefacts and Dover's military heritage.
Watty
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14 December 2010
19:3884612I would very much enjoy a presentation from the curators. If all the valuables are on display in the museum or the town hall I personally would be satisfied but if they are tucked away in boxes costing money to store and insure, that is another matter. Reserves should be working for the community and non-earning assets should be sold off and the proceeds invested in something capital-protected which will produce an income stream, not used to plug revenue deficits.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 December 2010
19:4184613no interest in a f.o.i. request paul, i am more interested in us keeping our heritage, the value is immaterial to me, as i am sure it is to john iverson.
some bloke years ago wrote that a "philistine was someone who knew the price of everything but the value of bugger all", something like that.
besides if the art works stored up at the fort were flogged off, it would have to sell of the stuff that belongs to the museum that is not on permanent display.
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14 December 2010
19:4984617Mr Garstin sir,there is no IF about it they are doing just that,locked away in boxs and to add to that, there is alot of them,we are not talking about one or two here,and again if I was the painter of them it would make me cry to think my lifes work is locked away in boxs never to be seen.They do cost money to insure and look after,and as you so rightly said they are not earning one penny to the councils or the public,and that is why they should be sold off, and the funds they make,and again that is £100.000 of pounds or even more invested which sooner or later would make funding.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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14 December 2010
19:5484618Selling assets that are no longer needed seems a sensible thing to do, but when those assets are local heritage in the keeping of the council/museum/whatever and helping to bring in tourist revenue then it's not such an easy decision (unfortunately we can't sell off the family silver as it was nicked many years ago!)
Putting some of them on show on a regular basis and making sure it is catalogued and available for serious research seems a reasonable way of preserving it for future generations.
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14 December 2010
19:5784619Peter,
Pictures , artefacts and furniture are conserved and preserved for display purposes, no differently than other national /regional museums. They are rotated accordingly and used with changing museum display themes.
Many of the items are left to the Museum in forms of bequests and some have convenants attached to them.
Watty
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14 December 2010
20:1084625I understand all that Paul, I just tend to agree with Vic that there should be a little more transparency about it all. When Vic implies to everyone that the wool is being pulled over their eyes, some at least will believe him. During an election campaign that, I think, is a bit naughty. It has been said that a lie will travel halfway round the world before the truth has its boots on.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 December 2010
20:1684627i was told that there are stacks of exhibits stored under the town hall, no idea whether that is true or not.
the point is that all will be used at some point in the context of the display at the time.
as a for instance the museum stairwell has en exhibition of chanel swimming photos, no doubt they will be taken down stored then used again when appropriate in the future.
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14 December 2010
20:2784632What is not transparent Peter?
You want to know ask Jon, there are no secrets.
As I said he'll be more than pleased to talk.
As Paul[Scotchie] will tell you there are no hidden artefacts , just stored artefacts.
So today we have had the Civic Car and museum artefacts as the Vic Matcham campaign wind up, plus Alex D. on his muddled view of Whitfield growth not happening making DDC's £3.2m reductions disappear.
I'll think I'll have another glass.
Watty
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14 December 2010
20:3684635Have one on me, paul. Sometimes I just like to play devil's advocate.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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14 December 2010
20:5184645Both of what I put Mr Watkins is not about any Election,I was saying the same about the paintings when I was on the town council in 2004 but at that time I was not saying sell them, I was saying put them on show. The Civic car post was just put up today because I saw this very nice car which was a new one outside the council office ,I did say it might not be a new Civic car and you have told us it is not.But I must say if it had been then yes I would be shouting about it but only because of the cutbacks you must make,not again because of this By -Election, that is not the way I work. We at UKIP did not call this By Elaction and would have waited till May .And What Alex said About Whitfield is along the same lines as I said sometime ago and yes he is right,what is going to happen at Whitfield should never go ahead and is not needed. You go on to say "That the paintings are just stored,can i aske you then how long have they JUST stored, five years,ten, no it is more than that,So I think I am right by saying they are locked away in boxs and if not sold off they will be like that in ten years time or more could be even for ever,never seen in daylight,apart from the one that might go up in the D.D.C. chairmans office next year.
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14 December 2010
20:5384646Howard, just to square things off , If we sold the Museum's artefacts then I'm sure we'll be accused of closing the Museum.
Q.E.D.
wATTY
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 December 2010
20:5484647interesting point vic, i assume you are referring to works stored at whitfield.
maybe there could be a way of displaying them at the council offices?
the museum is a completely different issue of course.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 December 2010
20:5684649paul
i think you may have misread my post(28) or i have not made myself clear.
i am totally against any sell off of items that relate to our heritage.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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14 December 2010
20:5884650But we are not talking about the Museum are we Mr Watkins ,we have the best Museum any town could aske for and the running of it is also very good and the upkeep. Sorry but still you are trying to getway from the point ,and that is the locked away paintings. that do not see daylight.I am not saying where they are stored.I want to see them sold off not nicked