Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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yes alex its a plot.a plot to build some more houses etc.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Alexander
On the localism agenda, you are correct the cobbled together lot sold out on that some time ago.
On the wider issues such as
Police, just like the NHS the police is in need of reform, to top heavy, a vast amount of savings could be made if changes in this direction were made, but that's a matter for the police and its commissioners.
I'm a great believer in decisions being made as local as possible.
Local govt could aso look at itself and make vast savings
we have 3 councils for Dover we don't need 3, and each costs us a lot of dosh, cutting one or 2 out, big savings.
Govts of all colours have always tried to control from the top, usually by ways of starving its councils of dosh, so they slowly bleed.
Getting back to the post on Western heights, im still unconvinced the MAJORITY of people in Dover are AGAINST any building on the heights
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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i have spoken to many people on this subject and found that those who have read up on it fully support the development while those have only half looked are against it.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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So in practice, Keith, you agree the Government is undermining the institutions of the Councils, ie local Government!
This is subverting the State, it's unconstitutional.
And it is the opposite of the promised Localism.
This is very concerning!
I also believe the Government is undermining the Police.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Whilst I agree the localism agenda was shelved some time ago
im still on the same path as howard on this one
unconvinced the MAJORITY of Dover people are opposed to building on the western heights
once given all the facts
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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yes alex,ut gets worse they undermining churches as well by turning then into flats.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The fact is, we were promised direct Democracy, then they reneged and denied it us.
Without a shred of proof, and in the face of 500 petition-signatures in just 2 hours, they can now say that "the majority of people here want to have hundreds of houses built on an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty and on a Scheduled Ancient Monument".
This is NOT Democracy!
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Re the WH development - the majority of Dover people don't give a monkeys. Of those who have an opinion, the majority are in favour.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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How would you know that, Peter, as there has been no referendum?
And how would you prove it?
Isn't this the reason why Localism was scrapped, never introduced, so that the Government could operate in the dark?
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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The Coalition has spent the last two years desperately trying to get our finances in order. We've had an "austerity" budget. We've had tax hikes. We've had "the cuts".
But for all that, I've noticed our national debt is still growing at an incredible rate. Localism it would seem provided the perfect platform for the people to help with an active contribution to the national debt solution..
Despite David Cameron's talk of "austerity", he's apparently going to add an estimated £700 billion to the national debt in just five years. I believe that's more than Tony Blair and Gordon Brown added to the national debt in eleven years. That'll leave us in 1.4 trillion in debt! This is just not sustainable -how can it be?-when is total collapse coming?...when they stop printing money?
Localism,it would seem, had the propensity of becoming a hinderance and a monster to the coalition by exposing their shortcomings-so much for transparency.
A great pity when Dover's own caring MP has been such a champion for the concept.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Oh dear barryw
not me saying it!!!!!!!!
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Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Keith, a non party political observation of course...
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Oh and I've just looked up, the statistics...1.4 Trillion is more than all the the debt of all of the previous 100years worth of HM Governments added together!
How can this go on? Localism was a last hope as far as I can see.
It would be interesting to know if any other government in the history of the world has ever recovered from such a mountain of debt without going bust!
HOW CAN THIS GO ON?
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Richard, our financial situation UK plc is a ponzi scheme.
A ponzi scheme never can be reduced, let alone paid out, but can only get bigger, as it is structured on ever-increasing debt.
Any other statement to define our finances is just a spin!
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I've just looked up the word Ponzi- and it 's not in the dictionary-it must be a recent colloquialism.
I reckon that successive governments in their criticism of individuals about getting into credit card debt-have had an absolute cheek.
I guess that all the time our governments have been able to service the country's debt that's fine.
What appears to be so incongruous is all this debt stuff is still occurring during boom periods as well. Surely that is the time to pay it all off-what on earth is wrong with being cash rich. Are there any countries in the world who are cash rich?
If there are not - then where is the damn money all coming from...Wonga .com ?
I see that the only other countries in bigger debt are Ireland and Japan. Ireland have had to go for an ignominious bale out. Could it be that we are doomed to accept all this stress as a way of life like Japan and bump along the bottom for all eternity?
In fact Japan seems quite happy with zero growth-perhaps that's the way to go.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Richard..............."A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Fraudulent indeed, Richard, as Jan's link shows.
One example:
Gov. borrows money by selling bonds, pays 5% interest a year, can't pay the borrowed money back, so keeps selling more bonds at an ever increasing rate.
Result, Public Debt May 2010 around £750 billion, May 2013 around £1 trillion+, and interest owed each year on the Public Debt currently at around £50 billion.
Conclusion: Gov. cannot afford to repay even the interest on the Public Debt, let alone the Debt, and must borrow more, and more, and MORE .... and increase taxes, and cut spending.... and the Debt just gets BIGGER all the time.
Greetings from Clown Osborne
AUSTERITY
(bee hee: "we're all in it together")
