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- 13 July 2013 13:29237305"The House of Lords has removed the flagship 'local referendum' provision from the Localism Bill which allowed voters to launch a local referendum on any local issue."
http://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2011/october/local-referendum-provision-in-localism-bill-is-removed-/Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 13 July 2013 13:30237306"The Localism Bill was introduced as the Coalition Government's Bill that will "shift power... back into the hands of individuals". It has already passed through the Commons and is about to proceed to the final reading in the House of Lords on 31 October 2011.
The local referendum provision was described by parliament as providing "community empowerment with powers to enable people to instigate local referendums on any issue". The withdrawal of the provision means that the general power of the electorate and local communities to trigger a referendum has now been removed, subject to a number of limited exceptions
"We have listened to the concerns [over] expense and have decided with regard to towns that the local referendums do not need to have a place within this Bill," Baroness Hanham, Parliamentary Under Secretary of State said.
However, Hanham added that referendums have not been totally abandoned and still exist for council tax, right-to-build and neighbourhood planning, a cornerstone of the Bill.
During the Bill's passage through the Lords, where its first reading was held on 19 May 2011, concerns were raised that local authorities might find themselves having to hold referendums which could be "inordinately costly or inappropriate".
The decision to remove the general local referendum provision from the Bill follows previous amendments that watered down the power to instigate such referendums.
Amendments were agreed in June that allowed councils to refuse a referendum if the its officers thought it was too expensive to hold, the topic had already been the subject of a similar referendum in the last four years or if there was another process available for consultation, appeal or review of the matter in question.
"The referendum process had already lost most of its relevance to planning after it was watered down by earlier revisions. Dropping it entirely allows Council planners, developers and local communities to focus on making good decisions on development proposals against a backdrop of sound local and neighbourhood planning policy, without the potential distraction of a single-issue lobby group going off on a tangent with a referendum, " said Jon Riley, planning law expert at Pinsent Masons, the law firm"
http://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2011/october/local-referendum-provision-in-localism-bill-is-removed-/Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 13 July 2013 13:31237307We're all in this together, yeah right!
Forget voting in local elections, "localism"!
Forget taking part in public consultations!
It's all a CON,Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 13 July 2013 13:46237310that all happened nearly two years ago alex, referendums were never a viable idea as they would be called for on any local issue that a small group of self interested or self important people decided on.
localism was just a slogan - a red haddock to make people think they were being listened to. - 13 July 2013 14:47237314Still available at Town Council level.
Watty - 13 July 2013 17:43237320as we know with the people's port issue paul, but totally unaffordable on a regular basis. there really aren't that many issues that would inspire people to rush to the polling station.
the people's port issue was of great interest but even then only 20% of people turned out. - 13 July 2013 18:16237323A democratic option Howard.!!!
Watty - 14 July 2013 00:27237337The parish poll (the DPPT poll was a parish poll) had probably nothing to do with the Localism Bill/Act, and was part of a previous law.
A referendum is intended as binding.
The parish poll was not binding.
The following is a list of cases when a REFERENDUM maybe held as per Localism Act.
Localism Act and Referendums
The Act provides for Referendums to be held for:
Changes to local governance arrangements (i.e. a directly Elected Mayor)
Excessive Council Tax increases
Neighbourhood development orders and the Community Right to Build Order
Persons entitled to vote in these Referendums must be entitled to vote in Local Authority Elections and their names must be included in the relevant Register of Electors.
http://www.boroughofpoole.com/your-council/elections-and-voting/localism-act-and-referendums/Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 14 July 2013 00:36237340Also, representations in public consultations are not binding, and a council does not need to choose the most popular option when making a decision, such as on a planning application.
Referendums were meant as binding, and because they would have likely put a halt to the Government's unpopular mass-building schemes, the proposed Localism Act was scrapped: without referendums on important issues, Localism is a dead word, a hoax!
We have no democracy, we have been lied to.
Our opinion does not count, we might as well live in a People's Republic where the local authorities do exactly as the central Politburo in London decides.
Public consultations are just a hoax!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - Brian Dixon
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14 July 2013 06:23237342alex,i have been telling you that for ages,now you might believe it. - 14 July 2013 11:18237355Indeed you have, Brian.
I too was aware that public consultations are not binding, but a referendum as per Localism Act was meant to be binding.
But Parliament scrapped Localism when deleting the Referendum part.
Now local authorities can enact every piece of central Government policy with no need to bother what the population thinks or wants or doesn't want.
I used to take part in public consultations, and also strongly believed in the need to introduce the right to vote - binding vote - on important issues within the community after they have been debated and differing views from different people have been presented FAIRLY to the Public.
This is how people turn away from community participation, when Democracy is made to fail and local Government, acting on behalf of the Politburo in London, can do as they wish, no matter how unpopular or unwanted it may be, and how it may affect our lives.
Perhaps the councillors are satisfied, they can say they made a decision that was unpopular, and no-one could prove the opposite. Hence it was a popular decision. They can spin any unpopular decision round into being "utmost popular" and "in our best interests".
Is this what my Dad served 22 years in the Army for? For tyranny and slavery?Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - Keith Sansum1
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14 July 2013 22:44237401Alexander
it is NOT TRUE that the public are not listened to by councils;
You will recall govts/councils wanted to push for a prison of sorts in the Connaught barracks(ex) rightly or wrongly
it didn't happen BECAUSE OF public opinion strongly against itALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 15 July 2013 01:02237406You sound like a political commissar, Keith.
The Council has taken a one-sided decision (CGI planning application) and there is no majority vote to prevent it.
This from a minority council elected with a 44% turnout.
Referendums on important issues have nothing to do with your above example, which may refer to a one-off, certainly not a norm.
In public consultations, councils are not bound by a popular opinion.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 15 July 2013 08:25237414alex
councils all over the country are minority led if you take into account those who do not vote, so if we take your view then no decisions would ever be made on anything. - 15 July 2013 20:24237472Why did the Government promise referendums on important local issues, and then cancel this promise?
The councils can make decisions that are unpopular and unwanted to the majority, and this is NOT Democracy.
The vast majority of people won't get involved anymore in local issues, as the minority-elected councils do as they please.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - Keith Sansum1
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15 July 2013 21:27237481Firstly Alexander
Im not convinced the MAJORITY are opposed to building on the western heightsALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 15 July 2013 22:54237486Keith, with no referendum to prove it, or to prove the contrary, you can easily write a novel on how "99% of Dovorians are in favour of the CGI planning application".
So long as no referendum can demonstrate the opposite, or demonstrate what you are stating, you could write anything on local decisions, even if it were absolutely untrue!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - Brian Dixon
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16 July 2013 07:25237491and a referendum costs money,besides that it would only be at town level and not district. - Keith Sansum1
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16 July 2013 12:09237539Turnout would probably be low in a referendum
so having cost all that money, and low turnout of course then alexander would then say, of course majority are still against it lolALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 17 July 2013 01:18237633Keith, what do you have to prove your statement?
In just 2 hours 500 people signed a petition against the CGI planning application.
Why are you contrary to direct Democracy?
Do you not see that Westminster lied to us and cancelled the promise of Localism in 2011?
That they are drying out Council budgets, inflicting austerity and shutting down the Police Force?
We are at risk of falling into sheer tyranny.
Of losing our County and with no right to have democratic referendums on issues that determine our future.
It is a plot, Keith, to take away all freedom from us.
They want to annex us to London.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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