Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Young people are becoming "resentful" towards workers staying in jobs well into their 60s, revealing ageist attitudes in the workplace, according to a new report.A study of over 2,000 adults by care provider Anchor showed that two out of five 18 to 24-year-olds did not think there were enough jobs for older people to stay in work.
The research also revealed that young people identified 62 as the "old age mark". A fifth of young workers believed over-60s were slower and less productive and one in 20 said they should be paid less.
I think this sort of attitude was in the pipeline and envitable bearing in mind youngsters can't find any work these days and older people are clinging on to their jobs as household bills rise and they find it difficult to manage,financially.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Brian Dixon
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#2
marek,thats understadable that the youngsters think this way,but with job cuts and other factors etc.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#3
Many young people do not realise the importance of an education until (in many instances) it's too late.
With little or no education, they won't get a well paid career type of job, even an apprenticeship need a certain amount of class-room type of work.
Not everyone can follow an academic future - training for a number of years for a professional job, but many can do a very valuable job - for themselves and society, in the building trade - roofers, brickies, plasterers, electricals, plumbers etc. - we all these skills in people at some time; these should be encouraged.
The big mistake a few years ago was pushing for 50% (or was it higher ?) of young people going to UNI; 50% don't want to and aren't capable of doing that.
They do need closer mentoring, or "one to ones" about what they want to do and can do.
"Old guys" of 62 (like me) generally have a lot of experience about many things and can help these young people to get a job - I have, at the LSBC where I work.
Seeing the smile and appreciation when I've taken them for an interview - it may be Neil Rix's scaffolding company, or the Ramda Hotel - it's the young persons golden opportunity to show that business that they can do the job - if they screw up, it's their own fault, but at least they are being given that opportunity - they must grab it.
Roger
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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#4
If you are physically and mentally capable-age should be no barrier-young or old or in between-simple as that...
Never give up...
#5
The right person for the right job, regardless of age, disability, gender etc etc etc. And Roger is right, too much focus on academic stuff when other skills and talents are as important. It does make me laugh to listen to some of the young people, though, who assume that, being young, they are automatically more suited to jobs!! So not true!
Jan Higgins
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#6
Good education can also be a barrier for work at the moment.
My grandson with a law degree and good work experience has been unemployed for a while, some of the many non law jobs he has gone for say he is over qualified and the Job Centre are a waste of time apparently. Among the jobs he has looked for are bar and shop work which he did while at uni, he might end up as a house husband when his partner goes back to work after her maternity leave.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#7
Many employers find that older workers are in fact more productive.
These resentful youngsters should look to themselves to improve their lot and stop blaming others if they cant get on. Fortunately they do not represent the majority.
#8
Totally agree BarryW - there are some smashing young people out there who I would, and have, employed like a shot - but even as a younger manager I tended to prefer older workers who were overall more reliable, sensible, productive and useful.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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#9
I retired at 60 and a youngster was happy to take over my job - well, he was 42, but about the only other person in Kent qualified to do it!
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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#10
There is the problem that, since the introduction of NVQ's particularly, very few are prepared to start in a lower position and work up in a job. Older people have the problem that, after working hard all their lives and gaining the experience, they are expected to take the sort of jobs that would have once been given to new starters.
College courses in various careers where people would have once started low and learnt on the job have convinced too many that they should expect to start in the middle, at least. Do these help? Nursing is now a degree course so nurses feel they are above cleaning up after patients and how many hairdressers do we need?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#11
in my first job i worked with 2 blokes well over retirement age, that was at a time when few people lived past 70.
in the warehouse there were another 2 that done the sweeping up and tea making, basically they were too old for loading lorries but didn't want to sit at home all day, plenty of that in those days.
the problem today is that many people find they reach retirement age and have not paid off their mortgage, or their pension is not enough to live on.
#12
I can only agree with Chris about nurses - I am outraged that a really lovely girl who works for me - recently back from Iraq in the Army, sensible, warm, practical, organised, courageous and caring was turned down for a nursing course because her very respectable exam results fell slightly - SLIGHTLY - short of the other applicants. Not even an interview, which she would have nailed. I have yet to be convinced that I would prefer to be nursed by someone with a set of A*s than by this woman who I know would make sure I had my nursing and medical needs met and has the guts to make sure it happened.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#13
These are choices that we all make Howard.
In my job I have seen many people who would prefer to spend £200 a month on ciggies and even more on booze but will not put a penny into a pension or other investment to help them in old age. Maybe their lifestyles will kill them early so they will be proved right, but then if they do live to retirement age, they have a problem.... What is wrong though that having made those decisions they should not expect to be bailed out by the benefit system with means tested benefits. Once they have made their bed they must lay in it. That said, I have to add that many of the older retired in particular did not have the investment opportunites and choices that following generations have and that must be taken into account.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#14
Bern - an interesting post that #12. There are far too many people who place much too high a priority on paper qualifications rather than personality and other factors. One of the ways we have gone wrong in this country.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#15
WellI couldn't let this thred die without one further example of the 'old uns' still at work In a courtroom in Wichita as lawyers and litigants wait in respectful silence, Brown, who is 103, carefully steers his power wheelchair behind the bench, his stooped frame almost disappearing behind its wooden bulk. He adjusts under his nose the plastic tubes from the oxygen tank lying next to the day's case documents.
Brown is the oldest working federal judge in the nation,was appointed by President Kennedy and is still on the bench. Federal judgeships are lifetime appointments, and as a federal judge he was appointed for life or good behaviour..
Vic has years in him yet I see it now as clear as one of Jeanes dreams.. the DE headlines reads" Vic Matcham 102 yrs old,standing as a candidate in the local elections nails his tattered and well worn colours to the up and coming new politically strong and wealthy OAP's party flagpole"
He vows the DTIZ site will be completed once permission has been granted to demolish the historic Burlington House has been appoved by Saskia Boland the countrys new PM.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 707- Registered: 1 Dec 2010
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#16
I don't want to continue working well into my old age. I'm sorry but i've been working from the age of 14 while in state education and further education. From 14-17 i held down 3 jobs on the go to get me through college. I have more than paid for my education. I am 40 now and never claimed a penny from the state. So when i reach 60 i'm ready to enjoy my golden years and give the young'uns a chance.
I think it's kinda selfish for oldies to cling onto their jobs. At 60 we have a wealth of knowledge to pass on but to the whippersnappers, but these days i find i learn as much from the apprentices as they do from me. I work to live i do not live to work.
If i work in retirement it will be voluntarily. In 20 years if i'm still here i want to sit back and enjoy all that i have worked for. And spend my pension as if i was 18 again.
Keith Sansum1
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#17
quite agree,youngsters many do want to work, but jobs are becoming harder and harder to come by.
and with those over 65 staying in work it won't help
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#18
Good for you Lorna but we should all be free to choose what is best for ourselves.
Guest 707- Registered: 1 Dec 2010
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Thankyou Barry. I just wanna get my monies worth out of what i've invested into the state when my time comes. I do believe there comes a time when we've done our bit and pass on our knowledge to the younguns'. My ambition in life is to become a cantakerous old biddy and whinge about the young guns while digging my veggie patch.
Guest 707- Registered: 1 Dec 2010
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Thankyou Barry. I just wanna get my monies worth out of what i've invested into the state when my time comes. I do believe there comes a time when we've done our bit and pass on our knowledge to the younguns'. My ambition in life is to become a cantakerous old biddy and whinge about the young guns while digging my veggie patch.