howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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28 January 2011
13:2090521beginning to look like the overthrow of the president in tunisia has encouraged egyptians to try and do likewise.
both countries have the same problems high unmployment,low ages for those in work, spiralling prices in the shops and people running the show rolling money.
there have been demonstrations on the same theme in yemen, previously unthinkable. the whole of the arab world is like a tinderbox at present.
countries like morrocco, algeria and libya will be looking very closely and nervously at events in egypt.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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28 January 2011
14:1390526It certainly is a tinderbox and we just have to hope that the Islamists are not able to take advantage of it.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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28 January 2011
14:4090528It is the UK that is siting on a tinderbox,it is only the bad weather at this time that is stoping the same thing happing over in the UK ,The hate beween the working Class and the goverment is geting bigger by the day and what is upseting about this they can not see it,We had it in the 1950s and 1960s later on with the miners,and the unrest of the 1980s,and it is going to happen again,But this time the goverment will have no support from any cornner, they are cuting the numbers of Police,so no support there,our army have their hands full overseas,The goverment just thinks because they have the backing of most of the MPs in the house they can push as hard as they like,but that is wrong thinking,in the house just over 600, but out side there are millions that will be in their way, they are pushing the working class to the point of no return.
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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28 January 2011
15:1490529I have to agree to a point with you Vic, there is a deep and growing resentment that the rich are getting richer and the ordinary person is getting poorer.
We have suffered from MPs expenses, or rather the fiddling of them, and the banking crisis, MPs are no longer trusted and the bankers are detested add in to the equation the cost of everything, fuel increases, food price rises and wages for the majority remaining the same and you have the first recipe for unrest.
With the severe cuts which haven't yet bitten deep and Cameron is playing a dangerous game of doing too much too quick whilst him and his crones languish in a life of luxury, telling us "we're all in this together", yeah right.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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28 January 2011
15:4090530I think we have strayed from the topic subject ,however in response to the last two posts .It was ever thus
The lower classes what ever you wish to describe people with low income are much better off than when i was a child .My parents held down two jobs no hand outs at all .Mother baked ,and made our clothes .A holiday was one day at the seaside /.
We will find it difficult in the next few years because for too long we have lived on borrowed money .
You did not sit on a bus with a mobile .Walking was the order of the day or a push bike .Young ladies did have babies out of wedlock but they had to be kept by the family .
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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28 January 2011
15:4490531Thank you for your support on this one,as you say he is playing a very very dangerous game,and it is near the point of no return,once it kicks off in will be happing all over the UK not only the big citys and then what happens.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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28 January 2011
15:4690532I do not know what the standing in chairman of the D,D,C, is on about ,but it has nothing to do with what is being said now.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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28 January 2011
15:5490533that must be a record for the quickest hijack of a thread vic.
barry raise the issue of a possible fundamental take over, i do not see this in the case of egypt.
even the muslim brotherhood have stated that the issue is over food and fuel prices, i don't think there is an appetite for extremism.
yemen is another matter altogether.
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28 January 2011
16:0190534I have not hijack the thread ,the heading is unrest in Egypt,what I am saying the same thing could happen in the UK,and will if he carrys on down the path he is takin ,he should learn from what is happing in Egypt but that will also not happen till it is to late.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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28 January 2011
17:2090541things are moving very fast now, the army has been called in and a 13 hour curfew announced.
all very worrying for the americans as they bankroll the egyptian army, my feeling is that the army commanders may see which way the wind is blowing and refuse to turn their guns on the protestors.
the president is due to make statement any time now, i doubt he will still be in power by this time next week.
the main opposition leader has returned to cairo and put under house arrest.
Jan Higgins
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28 January 2011
18:0190553Vic, with your anti government rant you are beginning to sound like Keith.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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28 January 2011
18:0490554Victor - the UK is a democracy and nothing like the problems faced in the Far East.
If anyone thinks we can carry on living on borrowed money and get away without large scale cuts in public spending then they are living in cloud cuckoo land. Extremist nut cases aggitating for riots will help gather support for the government.
Howard - you may be right about Egypt but I was expressing concern for the region as a whole.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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28 January 2011
18:2390555barry
the biggest concern could be jordan, the king rules with an iron fist over a disenchanted population.
the muslim brotherhood could gain control by the back door if demonstrations happen there.
yemen is a safer bet, the president is very unpopular but there are three different opposition factions, they will never work together to unseat him. considering the extreme and never ending poverty of the country people are more concerned about things like getting indepenedence from the south or north.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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28 January 2011
18:4790556Barry just wait till the summer weeks, and i hope you are right,but I do not think so,history will again show its face.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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28 January 2011
19:2090559The big difference here is that we have the ballot box and regular elections when dissatisfied with the government, not the case in those countries mentioned.
Libya does seem to be aware of the danger and Gaddaffi's changes of policy look like attempts to avoid it. Jordon could be a target for Islamic extremists and less likely to fracture into internal divisions and possible civil war as is possible in Yemen and some others.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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28 January 2011
19:3090562the americans are running round like headless chickens at the moment.
egypt are a great ally and they have just noticed that they are effectively a dictatorship, thankfully the army(that they finance to the tune of 1.3 billion dollars) has not fired a shot. rumours going around are that they are guarding the information ministry and state television station. the president has not given his promised address which suggests that he now realises that the game is up.
my prediction is now that the army will take control over the weekend and install the opposition leader in the presidential office.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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28 January 2011
19:4590564Just turn to the news and see what is going to happen on the streets of the UK in March,and you still think I am talking out of the top of my head.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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28 January 2011
19:5190566vic
are you deliberately trying to sabotage this thread?
the subject is a very serious one, all about a nation of 80 million oppressed people overthrowing a dictator.
your posts are about people getting fed up with vat and fuel rises and demonstrating against an elected government, if and when they do demonstrate, they will not get fired upon by the militia.
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28 January 2011
19:5290567The domino effect is a dangerous one. It's not inconceivable, although highly unlikely, that even Saudi Arabia could topple. Before that, Morocco Jordan and Syria would have to go. It looks as though Lebanon is going Islamic too. Algeria went Islamic years ago. Libya safe for now under Gaddhafi but what when he dies?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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28 January 2011
19:5690569democracy in the arab world would be very interesting, i read this morning that a common arabic proverb translated as "100 years of repression was preferable to 1 year of chaos".
i think that whoever takes over in these countries will make sure that they have a strong military and police force on their side.