Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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Sue Nicholas wrote:Grammar School.Simon was at River with my daughter.
Simon went to Astor
Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:This thread is not about the Town Team but all about spouting bile - I doubt that the actual members of the Town Team would wish to be associated with it.
Now I've heard it all, McSweeney complaining about people spouting bile.
Jan Higgins
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It takes a big man/woman to know when to stop digging an even deeper hole.
As I certainly qualify as big I will leave the little people to their bickering.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Well said Jan.
Guest 1831- Registered: 1 Sep 2016
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As a matter of interest - Are Minutes and records kept of these meetings, which affect our Town so much? Lots of the local business people and business owners would be interested in these records of the Town Team meetings, and what takes place, as it happens.
These could be published in the local paper, or, indeed placed within the Dover Town Council, for all to see. This would give your ideas, and activities a wider audience. Thus attracting more suggestions, and, indeed more people to offer help etc.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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All meetings have records and minutes if there is a person there to do it
I do no care one way or the other but if I did I would go to the meetings to find out
Reginald Barrington
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I do have some sympathy for David; It is the kind of behaviour that can stem from childhood and not being very popular at school, this leads to some degree of bullying.
It's a common trait in people with this background to assert there authority and dominance over others, effectively taking on the role of the bully.
It is low on the mental health spectrum and it is common, the danger of it is that it can escalate into more damaging behaviours effectively an attempt to retain control.
So have some some understanding and sympathy for David as he does fit the profile.
I would personally recommend a professional referral for accurate diagnosis.
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Guest 1862- Registered: 23 Sep 2016
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For what it may be worth, I believe the Town Team do an excellent job. They do not cost the tax payers any money. And why do we actually need a Town Council? I have examined some of their reports and accounts, and frankly, it's difficult to justify the money it costs to run and uphold the Town Council when you look at the results of their work and costs to us of same. Everything is contracted out.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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There is a reason why the Town Council precept is so high Anna, basically in future they will not be able to just dictate how much money they can claim and secondly town and parish councils will be forced to take on responsibility for things that are currently financed by district and borough councils in the future so they are squirelling money away.
I am being a bit vague because an expert on the subject Ray Newsam is not a member anymore and he would know about the small print.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Yes parish council which the town council is one of them and that is all a town council is no less and no more a parish council they have no power at all none ,we do not need a town council we only have one because the reds wanted to be seen to have some power some years ago and it is costing the tax payer some £700.000 per year to have it.Having been on both town and parish council they are a wast of money .I would just had to this that having spend a lot of time in the highlands of Scotland they have just one council that covers the lot it is the highland council they have part-time offices open each day and the officer will help you out this is done in all the parishs and towns this is the way forward to saving a lotof funding and England should fol;ow the same way it would save millions of pounds and do away with all the voting that we do local.
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Guest 1862- Registered: 23 Sep 2016
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Am I correct in saying there is over £1 million in cash reserves, somewhere, presumably gaining a healthy interest whilst austerity is being used as the prime ploy to refuse any investment in the growth or improvement of the town? It certainly seems rather over the top but my nearest neighbour insists to talk about it whenever our paths cross whilst out walking our respective dogs. Why also, is there a loan of £350,000, costing £18,000/ year in interest to the tax payer with that money in the bank? It goes over my head I am ashamed to say but as it is "our money", do we have a say on the matter? Politics, certainly not simple. Thank you for your patience Howard and Vic and for the answers.
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Guest 1831- Registered: 1 Sep 2016
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Anna Liesens. It is a policy of keeping a lid on us all. Whilst, we are continually told what we should have and not what we want.
As you can see and tell from some of the extreme reactions, the People of Dover are simply not listened to.
From the Prince of Wales Pier, to the shoddiness and dereliction of the actual Town Centre.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Post 31 I do not follow any council now or what they do ,so do not know anything about the loan etc it might be that the town council can claim some taxs back or might help with keeping their prefix high so they can get it back from the D,D,C, but I do not know thats just my way of thinking.Also the town council are land owners.I must also say if I lived within the Town council parish ,I would be very unhappy if what you say is right with over £1million in the bank, why have they taken out a loan of £300.000?and having to pay interest on it which is the tax payers money your money not theirs ,why did they not pay cash for the goods they got.making a saving of over £18000.But you need to put this to the council only they can tell you.and if you are still not happy you can go higher .That would cost you nothing but time.I hope this has been a help.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Please my post 33 again because I have added to it.thank you and your points of view about it.
Guest 1862- Registered: 23 Sep 2016
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Replies are much appreciated, thank you for your patience too. My understanding was that the £18,000 is a recurring yearly intresting which has been ongoing for some years. My neighbour swears the loan was to buy the Town Council Offices, rather than take out a mortgage. She mentioned so many things, I truly believe there must be exaggeration creeping in but none the less, it is rather disconcerting. The mention of the DTC being landowners did remind me that allegedly there is a sports field up Western Heights with a large lump sum put aside for toilets to be installed. I did go up there for a walk and if I was looking at the right field, it is on a bit of a slope, so it can't be for football or rugby. So which sport? There was a sign by the wooden gate claiming the area is DTC property and entry is prohibited. I do apologise if my incessant questions /queries are frustrating ,but I am keen to gain knowledge about the area I now live in, nothing more sinister. Having read comments from the regulars on here, it seems the best place to get friendly and knowledgeable replies.
Guest 1862- Registered: 23 Sep 2016
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Replies are much appreciated, thank you for your patience too. My understanding was that the £18,000 is a recurring yearly intresting which has been ongoing for some years. My neighbour swears the loan was to buy the Town Council Offices, rather than take out a mortgage. She mentioned so many things, I truly believe there must be exaggeration creeping in but none the less, it is rather disconcerting. The mention of the DTC being landowners did remind me that allegedly there is a sports field up Western Heights with a large lump sum put aside for toilets to be installed. I did go up there for a walk and if I was looking at the right field, it is on a bit of a slope, so it can't be for football or rugby. So which sport? There was a sign by the wooden gate claiming the area is DTC property and entry is prohibited. I do apologise if my incessant questions /queries are frustrating ,but I am keen to gain knowledge about the area I now live in, nothing more sinister. Having read comments from the regulars on here, it seems the best place to get friendly and knowledgeable replies.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Don't remember it having a slope Anna, big enough for about 4 football/rugby pitches and changing rooms. Nearly opposite the old prison officer's social club in Citadel Road now totally derelict. DTC according to their website commissioned a report on the sports ground but that was the last I heard.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I was on the town council when it did buy the building it is in now,and it was the right thing to do or we would have lost that great building and the history that goes with it ,and yes we got it on a loan but it could be paid off,Also I was on the committee that was going to bring up to date the sport ground up at the hights,it was a football ground and not a bad one before that,if it had not been for a election coming at the wrong time and some of us lost our seats it would not be in the bad state it is today.But all in the pass now. I am very open mined about what will happen over the next ten years in Dover but I have lived in the Town from 1942 it might be the time for me to move because having seen a great war time town at its very best in and after the war, to what it is today, is very upseting to myself.It has been my family home and apart from my own years in the army and working overseas it has been my home but most of my family have now died or moved away.
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