Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,259
Decent wine shop we know have:
Free delivery or collect.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
Dover had and will struggle
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,088
I guess it depends how you define 'affluence'. The social trend is for smaller family units. A 'family' of one or two workers with small space demands likely has more disposable income than families with children and a mortgage on a large home. So building bigger houses in the town centre wouldn't answer the affluence problem. If indeed there is one: we've many family houses in Priory Hill, generally older folk. Last one to sell down my way became 3 flats. Young singles and couples moved in, accompanied by their Audis and BMWs. Another just sold, likely the same.
But the degradation of the town centre is less to do with the presence or absence of 'affluence' and more to do with the individualisation of social activities (cinema to home entertainment, live music to streaming, pubs to home drinking) and the depersonalisation of the consumer experience (self-service, online shopping etc.). (Both likely to be accelerated by the virus fear.) Shopping used to be a loud, vibrant and risky experience, especially in the heaving markets; now it's a dull, mechanised trudge.
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Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
- Posts: 350
Weird Granny Slater wrote:I guess it depends how you define 'affluence'. The social trend is for smaller family units. A 'family' of one or two workers with small space demands likely has more disposable income than families with children and a mortgage on a large home. So building bigger houses in the town centre wouldn't answer the affluence problem. If indeed there is one: we've many family houses in Priory Hill, generally older folk. Last one to sell down my way became 3 flats. Young singles and couples moved in, accompanied by their Audis and BMWs. Another just sold, likely the same.
But the degradation of the town centre is less to do with the presence or absence of 'affluence' and more to do with the individualisation of social activities (cinema to home entertainment, live music to streaming, pubs to home drinking) and the depersonalisation of the consumer experience (self-service, online shopping etc.). (Both likely to be accelerated by the virus fear.) Shopping used to be a loud, vibrant and risky experience, especially in the heaving markets; now it's a dull, mechanised trudge.
When I became affluent, the first thing on my mind was a smaller living space.
How long are we going to be explaining away Dover's woes on the great digital dispersion which started over a decade ago. Retail , live music and pubs adapt and will continue to flourish in affluent areas after the pandemic long into the next decade.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,088
Full marks for missing my point and putting words in my mouth, DP.
Oh, and
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,922
I tend to think an "affluent" area is often defined by the way properties and streets appear, they simply look well cared for rather than unkempt and un cared for. Unfortunately far to many parts of central Dover are tatty and scruffy with rubbish piled in gardens and streets full of weeds with bumpy patched pavements.
New houses for those with money need not be large but they do need decent sized rooms rather than with as many tiny rooms squashed in as possible which the builders provide and obviously council planners approve of and allow.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
I think town centres are a thing of the past
How we sort this one will be interesting
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,300
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Have they nothing better to do .This money could be used in a better way .
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Further to this why is it always Dover .They would not Place such rubbish in West Kent .I have said so often in the Council chamber we will never aspire to be a Cheltham or Gloucester.What do our County members think about when these schemes are voted through?
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,300
The odd thing is I remember the row a couple of years ago when benches were being installed of a design to stop people lying down on them.
The new ones would appear to not only give opportunity for a nice snooze but provides shelves to pop ones high-octane lager on.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,922
Never mind West Kent, I can not imagine these monstrosities in Canterbury or even Deal, a friend said they look even worse than in the pictures when she actually saw them yesterday.
As for "our County members" they do not really care and seem to do just do as they are told from above.
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Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
- Posts: 350
The first thought that came to mind was 'grim'
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
not to grim, gives the kids some thing new to play on.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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tHEY are rubbish and it will not be long before they get paint etc all over them and the plants will die off and then they will be ash trays, and place to put the beer cans ,any good plants will be taken and put in gardens or sold
Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
- Posts: 2,587
They look ridiculous, especially in front of all those boarded up shops.
Also - Cherry Tree Avenue? Removing parking from outside those busy shops? Why?
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Karlos- Location: Dover
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,090
Captain Haddock wrote:The odd thing is I remember the row a couple of years ago when benches were being installed of a design to stop people lying down on them.
Let's hear it for John Maynard Keynes! (Quick, before the racism police intervene.)
(Not my real name.)
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,259
And San Fransisco get:
And:
And this is how they came to be:
The parklet was co-developed with community-based organizations in the Mission—a process that was as important as the ultimate product. Neighborhood youth from the BGC spent two summers working with the Exploratorium to plan the public space. In the process, they developed skills in design and planning, exhibit prototyping, fabrication, and user testing. The parklet now resides next to Buena Vista Horace Mann School, where teachers, parents, and the school garden leader worked with us to shape the final plans so the parklet would become an active part of the school curriculum and the community.
And here's how Dovers came to be:
We are installing parklets at 5 locations in Dover.
Can you spot the difference?
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