Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Poor old David Cameron is finding that making promises about what the government will do is far different that what actually happens.
He promised to reduce net immigration by thousands but Government statistics show net immigration up 7%. Last year 586,000 moved to the UK, while 344,000 left.
Total net immigration is at its highest for six years, as many Eastern Europeans who left in the recession returned looking for work.
The number of migrant students also rose by 30%.
Labour MP Steve McCabe said: "His policy is in chaos and he needs to get a grip."
Marek
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Keith Sansum1
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#2
MAREK;
Although labour didnt doi well on this one, te tories are showing they can do no better, and as you suggest they are struggling with it even more
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#3
sounds like the situation is as out of control as it was with the previous administration.
Jan Higgins
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#4
Until we get the ability, if ever, to halt some of the EU rubbish that we are currently getting I can see very little hope of a reduction in the figures.
I believe that immigration control will eventually have to be introduced by the EU at some time in the future, the more affluent countries will be unable to sustain these increasingly large number of immigrants.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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JAN;
I don't disagree with you, and labur got it wrong but the tories made a big play -on this very issue and how they wood sort it
yet under there watch 100,000 more came
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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jan/kieth,there is a differance between migration in the eu,and illeagle inmigration from outside the eu.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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This Immigration situation is a classic example of the easy times of government opposition. The Conservatives were in opposition a long long time thanks to the Tony Blair phenomenon which catapulted Labour to power and kept them there...this after a considerable number of years for Labour in the cloth cap wilderness of outer mongolia (well, it might as well have been outer mongolia).
But the new politics of personality is alive and well, Blair changed the status quo and now we have Cameron. The public image of a party now like never before depends on the public perception of the party's leader.
But look underneath the image and media flair and you can see some of the pitfalls, or some of the shortfalls. The immigration situation is a case in point as mentioned above. For years the Tories, in the comfortable surrounds of opposition, were able to tell us time after time how we all got it so wrong on immigration and they had the sure fire fix. Step up to the plate though and the solutions are a lot harder than they appear from the cosy position of opposition.
First of all you have the EU population flow as guaranteed under the Shengen agreement, then you have on top of that, our own employers in the hot ovens of London and beyond demanding immigrants from outside the EU as they need the low paid workers in order to be competitive with China and India. Chattering classes public opinion at the same time wants less foreigners marauding our streets. Sort that one out...
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The number of Poles living in the UK has risen from 75000 to 500,000 in the last 8 years.
Marek
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Brian, I know there is a difference, that was why I was talking about the legal lot coming from the poor areas of the EU. In theory we could be completely swamped by them and be powerless to do anything about the situation.
There are only so many jobs they can fill if they are not specialists in some occupation, the whole situation will become untenable.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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jan,if the pair of us where young enough we could be working in poland etc and having the time of our lives.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Never ever wanted to visit Poland, so you would have had to go on your own.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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haha
If my old Dad were alive he wouldn't believe it. The churches are full and the White Eagle social clubs set up after the war by Polish veterans are again booming.
Marek
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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And you can buy bozcek, kielbasa and good kapusta in several Dover shops. That's good for cultural diversity.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#15
The fact that so many people from eastern EU countries go to the West to find work, is proof that EU policies have failed in the East as much as in the West.
If it were all paradise as they promised us in the past, and as they promised the eastern Europeans, then why is unemployment so high in East and West?
Many Poles can't find work in Poland, or they get a much lower salary than here, so the fault lies with the EU system, which is a failed one. Add to that the never-ending bail-outs....
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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#16
Poles who can't find work in Poland just try harder here.
Never give up...
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#17
alex,low pay in poland has nothing to do with the eu,all eastern block countrys have low wages,has been since the year dot.
#18
As both parties have failled with immigration , how about they work together to try and solve it ?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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they will never get their heads together on immigration mark, both the main parties rely on donations from busineses that just love the supply of cheap labour.
besides while the general population are complaining about immigration the main parties are let off the hook.
both will mutter darkly about agreements and treaties hinting that there is nothing that they can do.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#20
The businesses that love the supply of cheap labour don't calculate how much the British education system and NHS pay to cater for millions of immigrants.
They only work out as far as their own ends go, the rest doesn't bother them. Tax them double for it, I say!
