Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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The next week sees the one hundredth anniversary of the S S Titanic's one and only voyage. The 10th marks it's setting sail from Southampton, the 12th has it setting off across the Atlantic from Ireland. At 11:40 pm on the 14th the Titanic struck the famed iceberg sinking two miles into the deep during the early hours of the 15th. 1,522 people were lost with the tragic sinking and only 330 of their bodies were recovered from the icy waters.
I mention this because over the next week the television will be filled with documentaries and the cinemas will be showing the new 3D version of the big film, Titanic. Better news is that in three weeks time the best ever film version of the saga, A Night to Remember, gets re-released onto the big screen.
In the meantime, for all the cynics amongst us, there is this.
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Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I caught one programme last night on the beeb. It seems that there has always been more going on in the tales of heroism and scandal.
WR Hurst had had a run-in with Bruce Imry years before and WRH took great delight in slamming him as the villain of the piece, the captain of the California -which had been at a stand-still through the night- was picked out for blame by the Board of Control inquiry. The 'hero' of the film you mention Chris got a mention also. Kenneth Moor's character was in charge of the life-boats on the port side and held firm to the idea of women and children first, to the total exclusion of the men, letting half full life boats down instead of filling the spaces with the men around. Men were far more likely to have survived on the starboard side.
I've checked and the programme is called,
Timewatch Myths of the Titanic.
Very well done without the schmaltz.
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I have recently read that Ismay, always depicted as the coward who leapt into the first lifeboat he could find, actually helped get people aboard the boats and only got into the last when it was loaded.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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I will certainly look out for this programme again. It was made in 2002-3 and has been on before. I did find places to download it, but none that were opprobrium free.
Art and song celebrating the heroic deeds of Captain Smith, all tommy-rot, but then again he died. Marconi too was keen to make the most of the tragedy to boost his own business.
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Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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I wonder if Ismay on the Titanic was connected in any way with the earlier Ismays of Dover -
T. ISMAY, Ironmonger, King Street, Dover. Advert for Thomas Walker's Patent self-feeding Phoenix stoves
(Dover Telegraph 3.1.1846 p.1 col.3)
T. ISMAY (junr) Notice of formation of Dover Steam Packet Co. (Dover Telegraph 31.Jan 1846 p.1 col.1)
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Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
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Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Brian Dixon
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#8
yes a big unsinkable ship ? that hit a iceburg and sank with the loss of lives,a bad show indeed.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Nowhere does that report or the one on the TV, advise that it is Fred Olsen's ship MS Balmoral that is sailing on this memorial route. I guess that's because the BBC doesn't promote businesses ?
Roger
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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BBC tv news is mentioning the MS Balmoral as I type.
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#12
as they did yesterday evening.
Keith Sansum1
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brian;
the titantic had no where near the safety precautions set as today
but it was a tragic story, and lots of stories of who did/didn't do what or who did/didn't be a hero on the day.
something we will never know
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Yes I watched a couple of programmes on this as well and no doubt we will be awash with the topic this week...we have already had lots of TV items already. Natural World showed the birth of both the Titanic as it was being built in Belfast, and the iceberg itself in construction for several million years. It showed the path of both until they met on that fateful night. It seems the giant iceberg would have been near invisible in the dark..only to be seen at the last minute when it reflected the lights from the ship itself.
The mistake they made then, according to one expert was that they changed course, swerved to try and avoid it. If they had hit it head on at the slowest pace possible, the bow would have collapsed but the situation would have been manageable, the swerve caused the tear which went through a considerable length of the ship. It was this lengthy tear in the hull, which nullified the effect of the accumulated watertight areas...once all those were punctured all hope was gone.
The Balmoral thing is very odd. Almost ghoulish some were saying. Its true some family members are aboard but the ship is fully sold out to 'enthusiasts' paying up to £6000 for the ermm privilege. Recreating the eight course menus every night, recreating the finery, recreating no doubt the class structure, calling at all the ports and finally halting in the very spot of the tragedy. Tempting fate is it not? Wouldnt be a trip for yours truly! Nosireee bob!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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no paulb it was a sell out trip to be done to re trace the trip
strange trip to arrange
but the human race are funny creatures
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#16
Ah yes I have said it was fully sold out...but not just family descendants as you might think but 'enthusiasts' on the topic. The story has a strange fascination to this day. I personally didnt care for the movies or the recent TV series but it is clearly popular with many.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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PAULB
I think the human race are a strange lot
it's probably the unknown that makes them crave
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Perhaps the most tragic aspect of the whole Titanic episode, and one that had far more horror-struck survivors to tell the tale, and one that was mentioned in the Timewatch programme, was that those newspapers that reported the sinking initially wrote their puff-pieces under the headline, "All Safe".
It was not until two days later that the truth of the losses was reported.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Peter, your post number 11: I know the BBC say it is MS Balmoral, but no where does it say that the ship is one of the Fred Olsen line and there has not been a picture showing the Fred Olsen logo either - how many people know the Balmoral is owned by F.O. ?
Not that it matters to me of course.
Roger
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Tom - thanks - from the 1861 Census I see that Thomas Henry ISMAY (father of the Titanic one) was born at Maryport, Cumberland, described as 'ship owner'
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