Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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#1
I'm sure everyone is aware of the background of Love Dover, and lots of discussions, and a so called public meeting that followed.
I'm hearing 3 new Directors have been appointed
S Jones Lamoon, And Mrs Angel(wife of j Angel)
Of course this has yet to be confirmed, but it comes as no surprize to me if correct.
By these appointments they are probably trying to justify there existence but i'm afraid the trust of this group, together with the lack of accountability will do little to give people confidence in the group.
Personal view.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#2
Same old names.Dover Town Team..Its up to you on DTC to sort it out.Now we will see who will run the cafe ..
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#3
Thank you for the update, Keith. It is appreciated.
Do you know if there will be an official announcement of this update? I am still interested particularly in the precise details of how this organisation has been constituted. Assuming that a Charitable Trust has been established, one assumes that the above appointments are as Trustees rather than directors.
Also, the names you mention will probably mean something to most forum readers but, as a novice, I would like to know the full name and title of each of them and what their current relationship to DTC is.
At the moment we still appear to have a situation where a large amount of public money has been poured into the purchase of a property predicated on the rather dubious supposition that it would have become a liability and a basket case when the current owner retired from the existing business.
The current Mayor and Town Clerk appear to support this whole heartedly and have therefore volunteered themselves a the 2 initial trustees, seemingly with the support of the current Council. That said, Mr G. Wanstall appeared to confirm that he did not offer his support in a recent letter to the Dover Express (if I understood it correctly given the plethora of exclamation marks).
Have I misunderstood anything?
Finally, I hope that you (as my councillor) will be able to address any issues that subsequently arise on my behalf. If not, please could you point me in the most appropriate direction. Thanks again.
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Guest 1831- Registered: 1 Sep 2016
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#4
Keith Sansum1 - I am assuming you are an elected Councillor.
Thus are you giving us this information, because you have attended meetings and know all of this first hand?
What you are doing is giving us, drip, drip, drip information. With awful English and punctuation, which is not making much sense.
For instance you say:
I'm hearing 3 new Directors have been appointed
S Jones Lamoon, And Mrs Angel(wife of j Angel)
Who is or are they two people? S Jones Lamoon?
Are these appointments being made in private? Is it all secrecy?
What are you hearing? are you having party games of Chinese Whispers, in the Dover Town Council?
You really must take your time in telling us, get the full facts, because this is really serious.
Thank you.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#5
Excellent post Stuart and I can confirm that all have a connection to DTC or the Town Team. DTC is a closed shop that allows the public to be ignorant of what they do. In fairness they have done some good things but we only find out after the event.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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#6
Christine
You will see that the rumour is circulating and I'm happy for it to be refuted if not the case.
If you would prefer I could tell you nothing .
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#7
christine.a wrote:Keith Sansum1 - I am assuming you are an elected Councillor.
What you are doing is giving us, drip, drip, drip information. With awful English and punctuation, which is not making much sense.
Rather an offensive post as yu have bene gilty of pore spellin and punct what haveu in the past. The forem is not a gramme lescon.
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#8
No the post is not offensive.
I am asking for some clarification of #1. That is a fair comment.
As I said, this is serious stuff, and it needs to be correct.
Thank you.
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#9
Firstly, thanks to Howard for enlightening me a little further.
Just to clarify my position. I'll keep out of the arguments about standards of English, although I do believe that clear communications are vital. Nor do I wish to make this issue a cause celebre. My curiosity has been piqued the purchase of this property, the nature of the body set up to do it and the almost deliberate seeming lack of transparency that surrounds it all.
Keith - in response to your comment re silence on this matter, I'm not really sure that that is an option. If you are unable to raise the issues within Council and therefore have no further information to offer, then perhaps you should consider your role as councillor. In short, as I said when I first initiated this dialogue with you, if you can't or won't provide the answers to my questions, then please at least point me in the direction of someone who can.
Just to reiterate from my earlier post. What is the constitution of Love Dover? Does it have charitable status and, if so, of what precise nature. What are its stated objectives? Who are the current Trustees and what is their relationship to DTC? Are they ultimately accountable to DTC? Answers to these points will get the ball rolling and provide assurance to those interested that there is nothing furtive, underhand or just plain misguided about the existence of Love Dover and its purchase of Dickens Corner.
Over to you Councillor Sansum.
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,709
#10
Currently they appear to be a Company Limited by Guarantee, though I am aware that they have applied to become a Charitable Interest Organisation, hence why they have been seeking and appointing trustees.
I understand that their remit is to contribute to the regeneration of Dover Town whilst ensuring that this is done in a socially responsible manner. I take this to mean amongst many things ensuring the utilisation of local businesses where possible, ensuring that properties are let at fair rents.
As a Charity they are independent of the DTC albeit they were started with a legacy from DTC. Further, as a CIO, they are answerable to their members who I suspect are the people of wards that make up the Town of Dover. There will be some method, which I am currently unaware of, for people to become members if there is not a general clause automatically making DTC precept payers members; all CIOs have to publish accounts and hold regular general meetings where the initial trustees put themselves up for election etc.
I am aware that Cllr Rix, Allison Burton, Simon Crowley & Ann Angel are currently trustees.
Hope that this helps
P.S. I currently have no direct association with Love Dover Regeneration
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Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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#11
http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=1170981&subid=0
The link from the above to the Love Dover website shows that the website is under construction.
The above link would seem to indicate that Love Dover is now officially a CIO, properly registered.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#12
Back to the same old same old. When there were only two directors, people were moaning that there were only two, now that there are five, people are moaning about that.
Its DTC and the Town Team, who appear to be the only groups who have any interest in helping the lower end of the town, so what's the problem with that ? Better perhaps to let the whole infrastructure collapse then you can complain about the DTC and the Town Team doing nothing.
Who is going to run the cafe ? Don't know, shall we wait and see, rather than throw unfounded suspicions into the pot ?
...and why wouldn't the alleged new directors/trustees give anyone confidence in the group, or have any trust in it, are they known villains or something ?
This all seems to be based on jealousy, because a group of people have at last stood up and done something for the town, but all the nay sayers can do is criticise what they've done so far, disrespect the individuals concerned by hinting at wrong doings and generally dismiss the whole thing out of hand.
No wonder people are reluctant to help the town.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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#13
Notwithstanding the viability of the project, one suspects that even if Nelson Mandela, Mother Theresa, that Pakistani girl who was shot and Lady Di were named as directors there would be some who would not be satisfied!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#14
I think it is perfectly reasonable for people to ask questions about such a project and without asking these questions we would have known nothing other than the original press release from the Mayor.
Communication is all important when such a large sum of taxpayer's money is being used, any criticism should be levelled at those who have shown no interest.
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Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I agree Howard, but when you get a question like 'who will run the cafe ?', that is not a request for information because that poster has already intimated that there will be some kind of nepotism, something about a bakers I remember.
There is an undercurrent from certain quarters that is saying to me that a group of people on this forum do not trust Mr. Rix and the other officers of the charity to run it honestly, and that they are doing it for their own benefit, and I think this is an apalling attitude.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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#16
Although I agree with the Captain, it would have been preferable if the trustees were not from within the Town Team and DTC closed circle.
I believe outsiders would have been a better choice and halted a lot of the suspicion that now surrounds this scheme.
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Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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Jan Higgins wrote:Although I agree with the Captain, it would have been preferable if the trustees were not from within the Town Team and DTC closed circle.
I believe outsiders would have been a better choice and halted a lot of the suspicion that now surrounds this scheme.
Has anybody approached DTC/Town Team regarding becoming a trustee/director?
I'm sure they'd be delighted for any offers of help.
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Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#18
That's a good idea Jan. Might be an idea for them to ask for some local 'lay' volunteers to join the commitee.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Stuart
please don't jump before asking;
my reply was to her Christina who appeared to prefer for me not to highlight these issues as they arise.
I was just pointing this out.
Thankfully I have always been accountable and unlike most other cllrs I'm happy to post on here
but I do avoid all personal comments as they do little to encourage other cllrs to post.
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Guest 1831- Registered: 1 Sep 2016
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Keith Sansum
#1
For instance you say:
I'm hearing 3 new Directors have been appointed
S Jones Lamoon, And Mrs Angel(wife of j Angel)
Who is or are they two people? S Jones Lamoon?
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Could you please clarify who are the above.? I can assure you I really don't care what you highlight or the issues etc. I just like to understand what you are saying.
