17 October 2010
21:5275342I read the following article today and it doesn`t surprise me for one minute.
If ever a country was on a course of self-destruct it`s ours.
What do you think?
"The Damage From Uncontrolled Immigration..........It Just Goes On and On!"
"Over the last few days a series of disconnected but illuminating news stories have thrown more light on the damaging impact of uncontrolled immigration on Britain, its culture, standards and traditions.
1. Three foreign-born members of the House of Lords face lengthy suspensions from the upper chamber and have already agreed to the repayment of substantial amounts of public money wrongly claimed as expenses. According to The Sunday Telegraph they will not face criminal charges despite undisputed evidence of wrong-doing.
All three were born abroad, not as British nationals. All three were elevated to the House of Lords on the initiative of Tony Blair, two during his regime, and two are known to have made substantial donations to Nu-Labour. Two are Muslims.
Born in Bangladesh, Manzilla Uddin arrived in the UK when she was 13. She was the first Muslim woman to be given a seat in the Lords. During her swearing in to the upper chamber of a democracy whose established religion is Christianity, Baroness Uddin chose to praise "Almighty Allah". She is likely to be suspended for up to 18 months and has agreed to pay back £125,000.
Born in India's Punjab, Swraj Paul moved to the UK in his 30s, and has become the 88th most wealthy man in Britain with a fortune estimated at £500 million. Despite that, Lord Paul saw fit to claim £40,000 to which he was not entitled, and faces suspension from the House for up to six months.
Born in East Africa, Amirali Bhatia is an Ismaili Muslim. He moved to the UK in his early 40s. Some £60,000 of public money was diverted to one of Lord Bhatia's charities and he spent a further £10,000 on a research trip to Dubai. He faces a ban of up to a year and has agreed to repay at least £27,000.
2. Islamic students at London's City University (the old polytechnic) have tried to enforce a Taliban-like regime of Sharia law, using intimidation, threats and abuse on staff and students alike. Members of the 180-strong Islamic society at the university have demanded that adulterers should be stoned, and women students forced to wear the hijab (Muslim veil).
3. Muslim supremacists in Tower Hamlets, London, are distributing leaflets supporting Lutfur Rachman, their independent Islamic fundamentalist candidate for the election of the local council mayor. No problem with that - except that Mr Rachman was sacked as the Labour Party candidate for the same election over fears of his close links to the Islamic Forum for Europe. Amongst other things, Mr Rachman had signed up entirely sham Muslim families as Labour supporters to back his original candidacy. His leaflet as an independent now claims that his Labour opponent is a racist, a wife-beater and a bankrupt - all lies.
After the general election in May, almost all the instances of electoral fraud came to light in constituencies with large Muslim populations.
4. Despite the serious cut-backs expected in this week's government spending review, at least 500,000 more school places will be needed to cope with the rising demand for places from the immigrant community. According to Migration Watch, UK's taxpayers now spend £12 million a day on educating migrant children. Within ten years the numbers of immigrant children at school will have doubled to over a million and some £95 billion will have to be spent to provide the resources needed.
Meanwhile, the indigenous population of the UK is falling, and the demand for school places from British families is also falling. To maintain our native population even at present levels a birth-rate of at least 2.1 children per woman is essential. At present it is 1.6. The UK's Muslim population is growing at a rate of over five children per woman.
5. The Home Office, under a supposedly Tory Home Secretary, Theresa May, has agreed to an amnesty for some 135,000 failed asylum seekers, who are now being allowed to remain in the UK. The announcement, made quietly last week, admitted that this decision had been taken solely to clear an ever-growing backlog of cases. No mention was made of the consequences - that every potential asylum seeker in the world now knows that Britain has joined the long list of developed countries which can be expected to cave in on asylum applications. Join the queue!
To add to this lunacy, last week also saw the announcement that immigration red tape had prevented a world-renowned Indian scientist from taking up a research post at Cambridge University. Professor Rao, a research chemist tipped for a future Nobel Prize, was told that, because his part-time appointment involved a modest salary the UK Border Agency had insisted that "therefore" the post must be advertised! He walked away, and who could blame him?
6. Meanwhile, thousands of Indian workers who can claim only to have experience and modest qualifications will be allowed into the UK under new rules being imposed on Britain by the European Union. A so-called "free trade agreement" with India is expected to be signed in December, after which the flood gates to new migrants into the EU will open - and the UK will be able to do nothing whatever to stop it.
7. Even in Germany the rumblings against immigration are becoming louder and more strident. Chancellor Merkel has recently declared multiculturalism in Germany a disaster. More than 60% of Germans think their country is now "overrun with foreigners".
Worrying though it might be to some, at last we seem to have something in common with the Germans!"
It`s funny really how normal everyday people can see the obvious, and yet the politicians on massive salaries and pensions that are supposed to do what`s right for us and our country basically do the opposite.
Personally, I won`t be sorry to leave the UK. It`s fast becomming the pits.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 October 2010
22:0175343blimey john. hardly get a word out of you for yonks, then get an essay.
intersting stuff nevertheless, saw the film of angela merkel.
the problem is not so much of immigration much more about integration.
we must not forget either about numbers, we are well over the limit that our islands can handle, only so much infrastructure.
Guest 691- Registered: 24 Oct 2009
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17 October 2010
22:1275346John. What is your conclusion? You say it's obvious, but I have no idea what you're trying to tell me.
"In this world there are 10 sorts of people - those that understand binary and those that don't."
17 October 2010
22:1675347Yes Howard, you make two valid points there.
Whatever politicians think and, for whatever ulteria motives, (social engineering), you can not and never will be able to FORCE people to integrate. Be it us with them or the other way around.
We all know that England has been "full up" for years now compared with virtually any other country that you like to mention.
I now await the usual rubbish about what we would do without all the immigrants!
17 October 2010
22:2275349Matthew, all I`m saying is that most people ( not all of course ) can see what the long term damage of MASS immigration is doing to this country. Immigration is acceptable if controlled on a proper basis. Simple as that.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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17 October 2010
22:4875352John, so far I get to n.2, and can assure you that if the point corresponds, ithe intimidations and utterances mentioned are totally illegal and criminal!
I'll continue reading.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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17 October 2010
22:5175353If point 3 corresponds to lies, than the person who made them would have to be sued (not to sure how to spell it) for defamation.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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17 October 2010
22:5375354Point 4 seems to see Britain in front of Italy, which has the lowest indegenous birth rate in the whole WORLD!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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17 October 2010
22:5675355i don't have a clue whether the amnesty mentioned in N.5 is legal, or constitutional, could anyone clarify this?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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17 October 2010
22:5775356Point N.6 would make me think - if it were not for Dover - whethere to emigrate to British Columbia in Canada.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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17 October 2010
23:0375357following a German documentary I saw a few years back, in various areas of Eastern Germany local people have prevented immigrants from settling. Adding to this, the eastern parts of Germany have 20% unemployment, and a million Germans from those areas moved to the western areas of Germany in order to find work since the unification of Germany in 1986. Tendancy increasing.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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17 October 2010
23:0775358The last part I disagree with, though: it's not funny, but awful!
I only hope that in England people don't start complaining about some extra money going to Scotland and Wales, while so much of Britain's money flows to the e.u. on benefits!
I mean, we must love our United Britain. I believe in Britannia Empress, which keeps me going!
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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18 October 2010
07:2475362Re your Item 7 John re Chancellor Merkel
I was going to write a line or two about Angela Merkel this morning. In fact it was quite an admission from a German Chancellor and she agreed with our own BarryW here on this forum who has been saying it for years...
"Multiculturalism doesnt Work!"
However she did go on to say that she did not want to give the wrong impression to people abroad in the rest of the world about Germany, so she is caught between two stools...and admitted too that Germany needs immigrants for economic purposes.
So to put it simply, its between a rock and a hard place. Germany needs immigrants but doest want them. Sounds familiar doesnt it?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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18 October 2010
08:0375364We must not mix up culture and race.
Being anti-multiculturalism is nothing to do with race.
Howard is right that the real problem is one of integration. For too long immigrants have been encouraged to keep the culture of their homelands and somehow live apart, while we have been bulldozed and bullied by the politically correct to accept alien cultures in the UK and even to modify/change our ways to suit them.
There is another name for multi-culturalism and that is aparteid. It is wrong.
Keith Sansum1
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18 October 2010
08:3075373I think there are a number of issues raised throughout these postings, some which i agree with others i don't.
It Is a complex issue and one we won't solve for some time.
What we cant do is blame immigrants for house of lords/MP's scandals when we have other MP's/house of lords people dong just the same from all parties.
On the issue of cultural dfferences, there is this dilema I hope we are not saying its wrong for anyone coming to live here to practice there faith?
I do worry about what is meant by intergration, does this mean forcing views on those that come to stay?
It does show that the conservatives to have a prob on what to do, gving amnesty to that many.
It does have to be controlled,
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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18 October 2010
08:4975377I dont think there is a problem Keef with anyone practising their faith, but I think the problem probably lies in the total lack of integration by some communities. It can lead to simmering alienating enclaves which can in themselves lead to breeding grounds for home-grown terrorism and the like. They are almost always poor by nature and breeding grounds for the disenchanted and disenfranchised.
It has to be better, and I think I initially bought into the multiculuralism thing myself, but it has to be better we realise now for everyone to mix in together, all part of the community. Enclaves of...I dunno..Bangladeshi's or whathave you, have got to be bad news for all concerned.
The machinery of big business though needs immigration lets not kid ourselves. Hence the difficult to fix dilemna for all governments no matter what hue.
18 October 2010
09:1375387BarryW is right to raise the A word - aparteid. If the communities entering a host nation fail to integrate they are in effect annexing themselves - andf yet expecting the host to change to accommodate them. I think whatever our political hue the majority of people are weary of "adapting" and thinking twice before mentioning Christmas, or black coffee, or having to file every possible cultural celebration int eh calendar lest we leave some tiny minority out of our congratulations and felicitations.
It really isn't about preventing anything, it's about cohesing. It isn't about refusing to accept immigrants - the UK is a brilliant host nation - but it is about the immigrantsd adapting rather than the host. The USA does it reasonably well - many immigrants there have been happy to fall in with the host culture, celebrating the opportunities it brings, without in the least abandoning their own. we have done no-one any favours with our bend over backwards approach, and I think we may have done irreperable damage to the West in the process - encouraging other cultures to think they have a claim to us.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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18 October 2010
09:2075391This thread is a bit like page 123 ( Integration ).
I have a feeling this type of issue will crop up time and time again.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Jan Higgins
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18 October 2010
09:4775396To integrate you have to learn the language, too many don't. We have some of our eastern europeans who come into the shop, they have been here for several years yet can barely speak english so how can they integrate properly.
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18 October 2010
10:1875401Multiculturalism is nothing but Apartheid in a pretty frock. There is no room for 'separate development' in Britain, and full integration with our historic and Christian based culture is the only sure way to avoid problems.
The Jews have got it absolutely right. I mean, when was the last time you saw a synagogue? They exist of course, but discreetly tucked away, not in your face. And most successful Jews are as English as English can be.
Jews have learned that integration is the way out of the ghetto. In return, our culture has absorbed and adopted as its own many facets of Jewish culture, becoming enriched in the process.