Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#1
A fascinating article about new research that shows women born since 1985 are now earning more than men and it is a trend set to carry on and deepen.
It also explores some of the problems that arise particularly in respect of the older generation of male who earns less than his wife.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2012/09/the-richer-sex/
The 1985 date is significant in respect of education. Since then there has been an ever increasing feminisation in education one example being course work replacing 'pass or fail' exam deadlines. Research shows that boys do better in the high pressure environment than girls who prefer course work.
I wonder if the exam changes proposed by Gove will help boys achieve better.
Guest 717- Registered: 16 Jun 2011
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#2
Ok was born a little before 1985 but I was brought up to expect to earn the same, if by more than a man, and have generally found that to be the case.
However, I remember back in my school days us girls were better in exam environments than the boys. I still prefer to be in more of a high pressure environment as I find I leave things to the last minute if I do my have the pressure on me to do them.
Woman are having children older now. As a result of this I would expect the figures to be true as we build our careers first. Finances are hard with just one earner in the household now.....in saying that I work full time and STILL run the house so don't feel everything has equalled out.
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DT1- Location: Dover
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#3
If things don't change as a result of the changes Barry, perhaps we could just mark the boys and girls papers differently. That seems to be his way of 'reform'.
As for being emasculated by the size of a pay packet, as the article suggests, it just proves how shallowly some people measure things. All seems a bit freudian to me.
...perhaps they should just go out and buy a fast car.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#4
slightly off topic i know but this engineering of exam results bothers me. we all know about sibling rivalry, what if two children from the same family presented the same work, one this year and one last year?
wouldn't like to be in that house.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#5
People should earn a fair wage, regardless of whether man or woman.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#6
Define 'fair' - there is no 'should' - you get what you work for. Nobody should expect something for nothing.
DT1- Location: Dover
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#7
If only that were true Barry.
Our society is riddled with a million examples of where this simply isn't true.
It's all well and good citing the Protestant work ethic and the Capitalist spirit but 'working hard' isn't proportional to 'what you get' or untlimately have.
If it was, I too would be a Tory.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#8
Working hard is part of the story, you also need motivation, talent and skill. Some luck does come into play but I believe we can make our own luck. Regardless of that, as I said no-one should expect something for nothing. Most people have a talent and skill of some kind but the big question is do they have the motivation and are they willing to work hard.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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#9
Nurse's receiving a salary in the scale of £11,825 - £13,920 per year. Having to pay alot of that very hard earned money on parking, just to do their job properly.
As opposed to railway employees working for a sub-contractor, earning £35.000+ and who even gets paid a full shift, even if he does not have to get out of bed to go to work, due to some numpty messing up the paperwork etc.
I think that's grossly unfair.
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Judith Roberts- Registered: 15 May 2012
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#10
I think a lot of women are very loathe to give up control of the household and although they appreciate their partners doing more cleaning and cooking they want to make the decisions. The biggest change is in how much time men now spend on childcare compared with my parents' generation. It is great to see the much closer bond between fathers and children who have spent a lot of time together.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#11
# 3...agree
# 6...absurd,over used tactic................to be fair is pure commonsense.........
# 7 ...agree but would not go as far as last sentence..............
# 8 ...applies to a `relatively`small section of the population.....not to the
multitude.......unfortunately always a tory trait......
# 9....agree........it`s commonsense...................
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#12
Barry: "Nobody should expect something for nothing."
Has anyone here suggested anyone should expect something for nothing when it comes to working?
It seems a lot of people in Britain, such as nurses, are receiving fools wages for their hard work.
The minimum wage net-income (tax paid), as prices stand now, should be £10 an hour, for the first few months in an occupation. After the initial training period, it should be no less than £12 an hour. Regardless of whether they are man or woman.
Keith Sansum1
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#13
We keep going round these circles.
everyone should be paid a wage if they work hard, can't complain there, but with this those that fail as top execs having already ripped off people, should not expect
millions of pounds in pay offs, millions in pensions etc etc
thats a warm up start
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#14
i read earlier this week a report about executive pensions sky rocketing whilst their minions struggled.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#16
I'm keeping out from all these threads on economy from now on.
I've left the ring to the one and only Barry Williams. Hip hip ...
He seems to be allowed to get away with every sort of impropriety.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#17
to be fair to barryw(did i say that??????????)
you have a view point, some of whch i share, and barryw also has a viewpoint
of course barryw won't ever agree nor should you expect him to.
i'm all for everyone posting whether we agree or not
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DT1- Location: Dover
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#18
Nobody has yet defined 'fair'
Barry, have you got a figure that you would define as a 'fair wage' or would you just opt for just 'a wage' that is linked to the unquantifiable variables you list?
So perhaps in trying to find what is fair (which is perfectly valid), you should define what 'working hard' is?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#19
alex
post 16, that is not correct as i am sure you know.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#20
DT1;
Some interesting questions
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