howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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courtesy of the telegraph, at least we know where he stands now.
The Prime Minister said that if the UK pulled out of the EU but wanted to keep the advantages of the single market it would be reduced to the standing of Norway, which has to abide by faxed orders from Brussels bureaucrats.He told a lunch organised by the Parliamentary Press Gallery in Westminster he was in favour of staying in the EU because of its single market.
The comments will be picked over by Eurosceptic Tory MPs who are waiting anxiously for a speech - which could be as early as next week - from Mr Cameron which will set out his vision for the future of Britain and the EU.Admitting that his speech would be made "soon", he said: "I don't want Britain to leave the European Union - I believe we benefit crucially from the single market.
"I think it is worth understanding what leaving would involve - there is the Norway option. You can be like Norway - and you can have full access to the single market but you have absolutely no say over the rules of that market.
Brian Dixon
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sounds intressting,a bit like being caught by the short and curlys.but on the bright side,he make take us fully in,but i will not be holding my breath.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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But surely Norway doesn't pay tributes to the EU: we pay £50 a day!
Surely Norway doesn't need to have an open-door policy to all EU working people looking for a minimum wage job.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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spot on alex!!
i don't see a problem with abiding by rules laid down by the e.u. over the single market, just the laying down of laws in member states.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I think your £50 a day should read £50 million a day Alexander - we are NET contributors.
I can't believe the restrictions on imports/exports, as we import more than we export so the many businesses in the EU countries would still want to trade with us.
The financial crisis affecting the EU, is not affecting the rest of the world anywhere near as much, so building up trade with the rest of the World would be the order of the day.
Roger
Keith Sansum1
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The important message in this thread as much as conservative posters(some) say otherwise
the mouse is clear, under his watch Britain will stay put.
Of course others within the party think otherwise
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Norway pays £billions into the EU in order to trade but, nevertheless are still better off out.
A better model is Switzerland as a model for the UK when we are eventually out of the EU.
Cameron is still playing the establishment game on the EU and will carry on doing so for a while yet but the message is getting home and the pressure for exit in the Conservative Party continues to build. Owen Patterson being the latest adding to that 'gentle' pressure on route to making an exit respectable rather than extremist in the eyes of more and more people.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Tosh barryw
the mouse has a clear vision to remain
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith - matters are moving in one direction only, out.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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in,out,in,out,in sounds like a party,.dave wants in and has made it clear barry.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Yes indeed Norway does pay billions into the EU and are happy to do it. They have an unusual relationship but are still very much in. Remembering that Norway per head are one of the richest of nations anywhere..sitting on a fortune in oil gas and fishing ( they are fish mad across Europe and have you seen the cost of fish lately!!)...so they could easily be self contained but very much chose to be in the EU.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Whilst i appreciate the conservatives membership is moving towards wanting to get out
the mouse's position is very clear
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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DC says what he has to say.
PaulB - Norway are not 'In' at all. They just pay out a lot of dosh to the EU dictators. Their prosperity is to a large extent in not being part of the EU farce and for not following the deficit spending route of so many other European countries including ours.
The UK is a different kettle of fish as far as the EU is concerned and can adopt a different relationship.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Yes, we get it Barry. Let us deal with the EU from our branch office in Agincourt.
If we were ever to leave the EU and elect a Conservative Government there would be little change to they way we live now. The EU would still get the blame, and any new 'Dave' the praise.
It must be getting harder and harder to get a reaction from all this 'deficit spend' malarchy in these days of zero growth and rabid tax dodging, but with all these wars on the horizon:cod war, trade war and the immigration barrier manning at Dover and sundry beach patrols, there will always be something to keep the populace busy when we are out of the EU.
A different relationship? Do we not have the very relationship we have signed (and signed again) up to?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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No we don't Tom, because the last time we were given the opportunity to sign-up to the "Common Market" we were duped into thinking it was just for trade - we were simply lied to, by both Goverments - Reds and Blues.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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roger,if memory serves right it was ted heaths tory goverment that lied to us with the referendum.a bit before gordan browns time so he cant be blamed for that at lest.as they say better in than out.chin chin and bon chance.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Brian - Heath did indeed take us into the EEC. The original EEC was a trading block and the lies were about the implications of the 'ever closer union' and the way that was played down.
The referendum was to stay in the EEC, the trading block, once again we were let down by the downplaying of the 'ever closer union' and the fears expressed by people like Enoch Powell and Tony Benn that exposed this were poo-pooed by the pro-Europeans who ridiculed those who foresaw the truth as extremist nutters.
So yes we have all been lied to about the true nature of the EU by all parties, Heath, Wilson and many others.
The EU as it has developed into has never been the subject of a referendum.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Tom, "the immigration barrier manning at Dover and sundry beach patrols" will crate employment.
We can't just have unemployment and fling the jobs at all and sundry.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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so finealy you see what i am saying then barry.at the moment the uk us sitting a rather rusty fence and needs pushing off one way or another,with no dithering.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Interesting point on border controls. I was under the impression that using Eurostar once you go through UK passport control in Brussels that was it, you are through, done and finished. I am sure that was what happened the last trip I made there about 7 years ago. On Monday we were checked twice, in Brussels and again in Ashford - are they tightening their controls perhaps or were they looking for someone?
Brian as for your point - yes we need to jump off that fence and out of the EU's budding totalitarian regime.
