Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 November 2010
22:3378367I hope this below works
A video of an interview between Andrew Neil and one of the most revolting characters I have seen on TV who laughs and smiles when asked about the woman he bludgeoned to death. In itself a good case not only for prisoner NOT to get a vote but for a manditory death sentence.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/email/coffeehouse/6441168/why-prisoners-shouldnt-have-the-vote.thtmlhoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 November 2010
22:5378373i was shocked when i heard who was behind the votes for prisoners campaign.
how do we allow people like that to air their views?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 November 2010
22:5578376I have no problem about his views being aired, though I disagree with him, its the fact that this monster is walking around alive and free that is disturbing.
Ross Miller
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3 November 2010
22:5878377He is a very odious individual - though that does not justify the death penalty.
Plus given he was actually convicted of manslaughter he would not have received a death penalty if it did exist in this country.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 November 2010
23:0678379From the details of his crime a manslaughter conviction was in itself a miscarraige of justice.
It clearly should have been murder and he should have faced 'the drop'. He is not worth the breathe he wastes. We are fools and mugs for letting people like him go free from crimes like that.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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3 November 2010
23:1478381Sickening Barry. Surely with the mixture of human`s we have in this country at the moment, there must be somebody who could snuff him out. For the softies, maybe if the whole murder (sorry not manslaughter) scene was shown on youtube, many might change their minds about this scum not being executed?
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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4 November 2010
08:5578406I agree that this should never have been manslaughter, but murder and he should have been topped, not let out after a number of years.
I do not, and never have believed that capital punishment is state murder, that's rubbish and some people, like this guy, should not be allowed to live.
People who commit these kinds of acts of violence, lose their human rights. Human Rights also (should) have responsibilities, but they don't.
Roger
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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4 November 2010
10:1178413I think this is something we will have to agree to disagree on - I cannot countenance the state taking another's life.
Where I do agree is that rights have corresponding duties and responsibilities - failure to meet these should result in loss or diminution of rights
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4 November 2010
12:1278428Keith Sansum1
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4 November 2010
14:3478438ross
i'M WITH you on this one
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Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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4 November 2010
15:5678441Attractive as it may seem to eliminate people convicted of bestial crimes, it sets a very dangerous precedent when the the state is licenced to take the life of the citizens of their choice. Better on balance to lock them up forever, imperfect though that alternative may be.
My sister-in-law Annette phoned from Toronto yesterday. Inter alia, she mentioned a case which is rocking Canada. Coloned Russell Williams, the commander of the biggest Canadian airforce base, CFB Trenton, has been found to have been pursuing a secret life as a prolific serial killer with a fetish for womens underwear. This is a man who was on a fast track to the very top and who has piloted the Queen and Prince Philip.
There are a myriad of references all over the web and a legion of YouTube videos.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/10/20/british-born-colonel-david-russell-williams-murdered-and-raped-to-satisfy-a-fetish-for-women-s-lingerie-115875-22645814/Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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4 November 2010
17:5778458Fortunately Gov. is ordering an investigation into utube videos, and has just sked the U.S. authorities to crack down on US based sites that circulate violence on Utube. Even Al shitten Quaeda was broadcasting live on Utube!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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4 November 2010
17:5878459Sorry, Howard, I forgot to censor my post.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 November 2010
18:1678462just had a thought, in the extremely unlikely event of capital punishment being brought back then our worst terrorists and criminals would move onto the european mainland.
those countries would not be able to extradite them to us.
nice twist on things.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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4 November 2010
18:1878464I dont think all our European 'partners' are quite so daft as us, they will extradite for the purposes of waste disposal.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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4 November 2010
19:1378483I am with Barry on this one; as long as 12 people true give the Guilty verdict or the person admits guilt then the death penalty it should be, especially with people who carry out child murders, several murders or terrorist acts.
I think you have tried to answer this for me before Barry, but I still cannot understand if someone carries out an act of terrorism in this Country and hold a British Passport or have been accepted as a Citizen in this Country why are they not tried for Treason. We are as such at war and if people carry out acts for the known enemy against the Nation then surly that is Treason and is not the death penalty still there for treason.
It cannot be justice that someone can put a bomb on say public transport and kill 10, 20 100 people and maybe walk away. Then if they get caught we just put them in prison because it's wrong for the State to take that mass murders life.
I just wonder how people who do not agree with the death penalty would think (God forbid) if one of their own was murdered, I know I would want the murderer of one of my own put down and I do not think I would have a problem pulling the handle.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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4 November 2010
19:2578485They, of course, argue about the risk of inncoent people being executed instead. With modern DNA etc and by restricting the death penalty to only the worse cases any risk of this is minimised.
By contrast, murder has boomed since the death penalty was abolished, how many of those murdered were innocent people who might otherwise still live if we had the death penalty? A lot more than innocents hanged, I bet.
Harry - I think I am right that the death penalty for treason was also abolished more recently. sadly.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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4 November 2010
19:3078487BAZ;
You are partly correct, but also who gives us the right to take some ones life and f we did so would we not be just the same as these people whom we may despise
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Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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4 November 2010
19:4678490So let me get this right; someone is a mass murderer then all we do is put them in prison and pay to keep them there. I am sorry but turning the other cheek is not something I think about when it comes to murder and I think the State has a duty to protect its people from such individuals so that they will never harm again and there is only one way to be certain of that.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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4 November 2010
19:5678491Barry you are right the law changed in 1998 to life in prison for Treason.
