Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Twenty years ago P,O was paying £5,50 P/H
What do you think it is to day? Probably £6,50
15 years ago a labourer on a building site got £70 a day, to day its £47
Only one thing has kept these wages down, mass immigration
The people at the bottom have suffered from EU membership,
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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nothing to do with mass immigration kieth,its due to ression on the building sites.
as for p&o they have allways been tight on wages along with zero hours contracts.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Brian - as always increase the supply and the cost will go down. So immigration has had a role to play in keeping down wages in this country. The minimum wage has also helped keep them down by creating a 'norm' in many low paid occupations eliminating wage competition. Low pay is a result of both of these factors.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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barry,maybe so but with zero hours contracts etc,it dose nothing to encourage people to work.what it needs is a 40 hour contract at £8.60 an hour to encourage people to work.plus some form of government incentive,like road,rail and make better public transport matters better.speculate to acumalate.more people in work means more income for the government and less people out of work.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The best way to encourage people to work is to remove benefits from those fit to work and have been out of work for over 6 months Brian.
Zero hour contracts are a sensible response to government meddling and protectionism of those in jobs at the expense of those out of work. A business that pays people in periods where there is no work for them to do will soon go bust leaving everyone out of work.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Well, now that we have the UKIP take on things, (#45) here is the Limp-Dem side...
http://www.theguardian.com/money/2013/jul/31/nick-clegg-zero-hours-contractsIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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the only people likely to take a job with a zero hours contract are youngsters still living with their parents, a look in sports direct confirms this.
anybody with a rent/mortgage plus bills to pay would be better off on benefits.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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barry,i wouldn't go back to work unless I had a gaurented 40 hour contract signed seald and deliverd.a zero hour contract would be useless for me.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Exactly Howard so take away the benefits, get rid of the minimum wage and reform the job destroying so called employment protection legislation. Plus of course some further supply side reforms to encourage growth and reductions in the costs to employers of employing people.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Just why would an employer be thinking zero hours contracts??
Zero hours will allow the boss to tell people to go sit in the canteen for no pay during breakdowns or slack times,
All very good for the boss, but not to good for the workers.
Providing, job shops JSA do not force people to go for zero hours companies and contracts, workers can tell these joke boss's to go stick it.
I work for people that have work for me to do, if a customer wanted me to go sit in my van and maybe they will have something for me later, I would say
.... .........you're self.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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a fair summing up keith i would add that businesses base their wage structure on a mix of busy and quiet times anyway.
for example many shops make a massive proportion of their sales in the pre christmas period but still employ people all year round with minimal extra seasonal staff at yuletide.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
same old stuff,
david;
I realise you feel you have to be correct and don't wish anyone to have an alternative view and there wrong if they do
sad realy I feel sorry for those on the town team
sure they must be ok
peter r
I have harped on about the UKIP and again just because you support a political party there is a bigger picture and yep I will go on being critical of UKIP who came in strong on allowances then at the first attempt when they could have made a stand(and I would have spoken up for them) did they?
no they didn't
they not only crawled under the rock, they asked for even higher allowances
no wonder people have lost faith in UKIP
peter g
thankyou
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