howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 October 2010
12:0175882just seen a bit on sky news where some top officials representing the people that wear a tea towel on their head boasting that
they get most of their funding from england.
they reckoned that they had highly trained and motivated operatives ready to strike here at any time.
i hope our security services are aware of who most of them are, as we are nearing the time of year when large crowds gather in shopping centres and railway stations.
Brian Dixon
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21 October 2010
14:2275886well thats a blow for barryw then,so much for defence cuts then.might as well bring all the troops home to surround the all the mosqes in britain and place what aircraft carriers in sutable spots around the country.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 October 2010
14:5975889brian
in all probability the bulk of the money is collected at mosques, the worshippers think they are giving to a pakistan based charity.
once the money reaches pakistan it is then laundered through to terrorists.
all very similar to when irish americans were handing over money in bars thinking it was going help the health and education of the beleagured nationalists in the six counties.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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21 October 2010
16:0775904yep forgot the irish americans and a certain iseland.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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21 October 2010
22:0975976I thought that animosity was long gone!
My research goes back to Saint Aidan from Ireland, who, coming fron the Scottish island of Iona with an Army of missionaries, illuminated Northumbria.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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22 October 2010
07:1976017looks like we have a laye preacher on board.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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22 October 2010
07:5276022Yes indeed the Irish Americans did contribute vast sums of money to the 'Irish cause' but I think they knew exactly what they were contributing to. But with regard to the Taleban or probably more appropriately Al Quieda, well yes I think the real problem for the future could come in the shape of homegrown terrorists. First generation English born but who see the Muslim world as their true home. So not only will they contribute funding but will also themeslves die for what they beleive in. We have already seen the devastating effects of this.
The issue cropped up the other day when we were talking about the failure of multiculturalism as highlighted by German Chancellor Angela Merkel. I think initially we all thought this multiculturalism was a good idea but now we see it produces enclaves of the disaffected. Much better to try harder to engage with all sections of the community and bring them into the fold as it were and unite as one. Then we will all be pulling in the same direction.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 October 2010
09:5176033Not all of us thought it was a good idea PaulB. This was very much a concept of 'the left' and pursued by the Blair/Brown governments.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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22 October 2010
09:5476035I hated that multicultural thing back in the early 70s, when I believe it came about. Was Enoch Powell right, but a few decade`s too early?
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
22 October 2010
10:1076036The results of the recent election in Tower Hamlets show just how much the multi-culture project has failed. To add insult to injury the great Newt Fancier, Ken Livingstone (PBUH), was out showing support for Rahman in spite of the fact that he (Rahman) was running against an official Labour candidate. According to Labour Party rules this should mean that their candidate for the Mayor of London should be expelled from the party. One wonders how they are going to square the circle on this one, but I suspect it will all be swept under the carpet (or should that be prayer mat?)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andrewgilligan/100060304/labour-london-borough-becomes-islamic-republic/Keith Sansum1
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22 October 2010
10:4376040Bob;
I read the article but saw no comment of K Lvingstone canvassng
and im sure if that were the case the torygraph would have mentioned it.
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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22 October 2010
10:4876042Keef he did indeed canvas for Rahman according to BBC Radio 4 this morning. And Bob is right in that it is against the rules of the Labour Party for a member of the Labour Party to canvas against an official member/nomineee of the Labour Party.
Im afraid Livingstone seems to be putting himself above the Labour law. Very bad.
Yes indeed BarryW you were always a spokesman against multiculturalism and indeed you have been proved right.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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22 October 2010
11:0176045paulb
I dont agree wth k livingstone any more than the rebels on dover town council
so all should be treated the same
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 October 2010
11:1076046Yes PaulB. We do need to be a bit careful over this though. Whatever we do, we must not to mix up multiculturalism with multi enthnicism.
These are two very different things. Defenders of multiculturalism have frequently unjustly attacked their opponents as rascists in an effort to close down debate. That is simply not the case. Culture and ethnicity are different things.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 October 2010
11:1276047Keith - can you explain who the rebels on Dover Town Council are?
I have never been clear about this.
Do you mean Gordon Cowan and his faction who behaved badly over the election of the present mayor who had cross party support?
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22 October 2010
11:1576048I've just read Bob's link, it reports that people had to run a gauntlet of Rahman supporters to reach the polling booth. If that's the case it's surely illegal and makes the result open to challenge, and a result of bringing a different culture to UK elections in ignorance of the law.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 October 2010
11:2076050Sounds like intimidation and if thats true I would hope the result gets challenged.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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22 October 2010
11:2776051Barryw
unlike yourself i'm happy to speak openly about the party
If It's correct on K Livingstone, then I don't think thats correct And would support action being taken just as I would those rebel cllrs on Dover town council who also broke the same rules.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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22 October 2010
11:4476053To the best of my knowledge, some mainstream parties in Britain have been toysing with the idea of proposing a minimum number of ethnic minority candidates at the general elections, candidates who belong specifically to an ethnic minority, using the terminology supplied by the authors of the idea, which has received press coverage.
It's a recipee for ethnic enclaves, but somehow seems to me unconstitutional.
The temptation to attract votes in certain areas where a high number of people live who consider themselves ethically different has no doubt played a role in this idea.
Another factor that should be mentioned on this thread is that many languages are often used - apart from English and Welsh - for the public to understand what's being proposed in writing, such as a neighbourhood forum leaflet which was distributed months back in where I live, written in two languages.
I think this thing about many languages was actually mentioned on a thread the other day.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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22 October 2010
11:5476056Alexander;
I'm of the opinion that more candidates from ethnic minorities should be encouraged, as should women.
But having groups such as black sections, womens sections, I dont believe to be the best way forward.
Whilst encouragement I share, and bearing in mind we still have those who will not treat people equaly, Im not convinced and don't think i ever will be to have sections for such groups, or to gve them special prviledge stopping others standing against them in selection
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