Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#41
But the point is that those people died through politics and politcal dogma. It was the Government of the day that pressured the hospital into seeking Foundation status and losing sight of patient needs.
It should never have been one or the other.
Roger
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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#42
How can we continue to ignore the fact that EVERYONE who worked on those wards knew what was going on? It costs nothing to fill a water jug, to discuss patients needs with relatives, to give basic bed baths etc...
What astounds me is that the staff, at all levels, point the finger of blame at managment and take no responsibility for the neglect. Icould not, under any circumstance, have kept my mouth shut and would have spoken to my MP and the press. I am sure that if my intentions to whistleblow had resulted in my dismissal I would have been more than happy to depart screaming my disgust from the rooftops, armed of course, with a mobile phone full of recorded pictorial evidence.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#43
Jesus wept Roger do you ever give up?
As Lesley points out, were all the nurses, auxiliaries and doctors involved in some sort of political game?
Great post Lesley, people died, scoring political points is beneath contempt
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#44
some trusts done ok under both governments others failed miserably.
politics played no part in this, crap staff most certainly did.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#45
Spot on Howard, the triballists won't have that though.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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#46
Thanks David, I wonder if a review of all staff has taken place, and if so, what has been put in place to ensure that these sick individuals who hold human life in utter contempt are either dismissed or retrained?
Please, if you have a loved one in hospital, read their notes, check the care plans and ASK QUESTIONS until you get answers, listen to your loved ones and dont be afraid to make an appointment to speak to the Dr or Consultant to discuss the managment and level of care they will need to address their individual needs.
It is regret that I had to make "a fuss" to ensure that my relatives needs were met, it should be the exception but is now the rule.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#47
Totally agree Lesley and David....as I have no wish to be justifiably suspended for provocative language,no comment on # 41..
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#48
Roger I don't really think it was dogma that caused the problems but dogma certainly gets in the way of making things better.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1
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#49
Roger oh dear.
Well said Lesley, well thought out, direct from the heart, and informative
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#50
Is Keith suggesting Roger is guilty of political bias?
Rearrange kettle, pot, black.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#51
Of course he is David.
If it had been a Conservative Goverrnment in charge when this happened, I would have condemned their policies too.
The Government today do many things I disagree with.
I don't think that enough people realise just much politics plays in every-day life. I don't necessarily agree with it, but it is a fact.
Roger
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#52
Of course politics plays a part Roger, its the evangelical party politics that is the ruination of the country.
I was at a council meeting recently in the chamber, a chimps tea party of the two parties squabbling, finger pointing and achieving nothing.
You lot should be embarrassed, from the outside looking in its pathetic, both sides as bad as each other.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#53
That does not happen at parish council meetings
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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#54
SORRY, BUT WAS IT POLITICAL FOR A MEMBER OF STAFF TO DRAG A MENTAL HEALTH PATIENT TO THE BATHROOM SCREAMING "I HATE YOU "? WAS IT POLITICS THAT LEFT A PATIENT COVERED IN THEIR OWN EXCRETMENT? No, I don't think so. Yes I did shout because unless we stop blaming the system and take responsibility for our own actions how the hell are we going to change? I am sure some of you have valid points in that the NHS is "sick" and needs major reviews at all levels, but nothing can excuse this behaviour.
Brian Dixon
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#55
well spoken lesley,or should i say shouted.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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#56
Thanks Brian, I do get a bit cross sometimes......
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#57
so do i sometimes,but thats life.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#58
There is a ready excuse, for this behaviour and for worse, (not that this is going to help) we are only human.
Is there anybody who can say that their life is sorted, that they do all that is asked of them whenever they get the request?
Is not far more likely that any such person who attempted to state the above as fact would add, "well nearly. If only those around me would do the same!"
I take it, Lesley, that it was the staff member who screamed that unreasonable statement.
In the circumstance where the care-needer stands alongside the care-provider the difference between the two will be most stark:the one in a bed-gown the other in the institution's uniform.
Were we to blow-up the picture and were only able to see the eyes of them both, the faces of them both...and so on. At what point would it become plain as to which was the one in need?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Jan Higgins
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#59
"At what point would it become plain as to which was the one in need?" .
I suspect in all too many cases one would show pain or sadly be blank and the other indifference or even worse contempt also one has the ability to walk away the other does not.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#60
Lesley
well said
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