Soldiers charged with murder
- 14 October 2012 12:46195832It's been on the news that 5 soldiers have been charged with murdering an insurgent in Afganistan.
If must be very difficult for serving soldiers to think that they can be charged with killing the enemy. I do understand he was in some kind of prison and that no civilians were involved.
The Taliban are blowing up our soldiers every day with these IEDs and would be celebrating if their soldiers killed one (or more) of our men, where as we Court-Marshal ours.
Roger - 14 October 2012 13:01195834As a old soldier, I think they should not have been charged,we are at war,this kind of thing happens on all sides,and they were under fire aswell,Our men and woman are geting killed from the front and from behind from members of a army that are on our side .This is not going to help in anyway,it is bad that our soldiers are out there in the first place in a war that can not be won. They have to face a enemy that are not dressed like a army, a enemy that has men in the same lines as ours,Our numbers are geting cut back ,so they will face the sack when they get back or even in the front line,and on top of all that they now could find themself on a Court-Marshal for doing their job,it is very unfair,soon they will not get young men or women sighing on and then where will the UK be.
- 14 October 2012 15:10195845It was the Police who informed the Army, as they came across a film on a laptop which led to suspicions a man may have been denied medical treatment.
This is Britain, a Country where people cannot be denied medical treatment. Our soldiers cannot deny people medical treatment in any instance where they are responsible for their welfare. And so the Police forwarded their findings to the appropriate authority for further investigation.
We will have to await the outcome of the investigation.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 14 October 2012 15:50195846Would love to be on that jury, NOT GUILTY.
- 14 October 2012 15:52195847Dead right Vince.
Roger - 14 October 2012 16:20195851I have deleted,what I said about post3,
Is he English?Because he does not have a English name. - Brian Dixon
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14 October 2012 16:34195852as you vic.
- 14 October 2012 16:44195853There is nothing wrong with not being English,it just the way he writes and talks it is not the British way.More like somone who has moved here.Again nothing wrong with that, but would just like to know.
- 14 October 2012 18:08195868As ex military myself i can now only think of those on the front line, like these 5 marines will have spent alot of time. We all know its not a level playing field. These guys have to fight an enemy who have no rules while we have to fight under the rules of engagement. Knowing that one wrong move and you will be dead while we have to check the small print before pulling the trigger!!
- 14 October 2012 18:12195869Pope, Alexander...
"Know then thyself, presume not God to scan;
The proper study of mankind is man.
Plac'd on this isthmus of a middle state,
A being darkly wise, and rudely great:
With too much knowledge for the sceptic side,
With too much weakness for the stoic's pride,
He hangs between; in doubt to act, or rest;
In doubt to deem himself a god, or beast;
In doubt his mind or body to prefer;
Born but to die, and reas'ning but to err;
Alike in ignorance, his reason such,
Whether he thinks too little, or too much:
Chaos of thought and passion, all confus'd;
Still by himself abus'd, or disabus'd;
Created half to rise, and half to fall;
Great lord of all things, yet a prey to all;
Sole judge of truth, in endless error hurl'd:
The glory, jest, and riddle of the world! "
From...
http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/an-essay-on-man-epistle-ii/Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - Jan Higgins
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14 October 2012 18:24195870If I was on the jury the prosecution would have to come up with extremely strong evidence for me to find the marines guilty of murder.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 14 October 2012 18:58195875Me to Jan I would require a written statement from the insurgent in question.
- 14 October 2012 18:59195876short memory vic. alex was the one that humped your election leaflets around dover's hilly streets that the last time you stood for election.
i can confirm that he is indeed english. - 14 October 2012 19:55195890Vic, this is extremely disturbing, and had I still been a member of UKIP, I would have reported your post to the Central office.
On a number of instances you have disgraced the party you are a member and local chairman of, as my post 3 is an explanation of the facts as they have appeared thus far on Sky News.
As it is, I won't, not having chosen to reapply for membership.
The case as it stands now, as I managed to determine from Sky, is an inquest into the death of a man who, it seems, was alive when in the custody of soldiers serving a mission in Afghanistan, apparently wounded at the time.
The inquest is ongoing, but several soldiers have been arrested for murder.
At the time the Police found the film, they immediately did their duty and reported it. It is a matter for the appointed investigators in the Army to find out what happened and which, if any, laws and rules of engagement have been broken.
For people to assume, with no further knowledge as to what happened, that a verdict must be "not guilty", is shocking!
As for my own person, I am born of two British parents, yet this has no relation to the matter that is object of this thread, namely whether a prisoner was given or denied medical treatment.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 14 October 2012 20:15195893You can go ahead.It is your name it does not sound English that is all I said. I said this before I am not the chairman of nothing,there is no UKIP party committee in Dover,I am only still a member because My year is not up.Howard you are right with what you say he did help alot and I was thankfull he did.I still hold the books of UKIP till one gets set up in Dover which I will not be part of,I am to old for doing that now.Thank you.
- 14 October 2012 20:18195894Vic, I've already written above that I won't, as I am not a member of UKIP, but had I been, I would have.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 14 October 2012 21:59195916In a democracy it is necessary to follow due process. My thoughts are with the boys and girls on the ground in Afghanistan whose loyalty and dedication are not in question but have been cynically abused by their political masters. If there is blood of innocent civilians on anyone's hands, it must surely go a hell of a long way up the chain of command.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- 14 October 2012 22:14195919Nothing to do with civilians here, Peter. The talk is of a Taliban combatant.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 14 October 2012 22:18195920Yesterday I was talking to a serving British soldier in Afganistan on leave. At age 26 he is already a veteran of the action there. He explained that the UK rules are draconian-a Taliban insurgent has to be aiming his rifle at your position before you can shoot him. Even if you see one preparing a roadside bomb you cannot shoot him. Apparently satellite and drone TV is watching your every move and the Military Police are ready to pounce. Evidently the Yanks don't give a toss with a general 'bomb the bastards' attitude. The Brit interpretation of the Geneva convention is the strictest in the world. This veterans final words on this-'that's why we are losing the conflict'.Never give up...
- 14 October 2012 22:20195921...and we will lose it.Never give up...