Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Philip.
We can all lift links but are they worth it?
The two most obvious benefits of solar power, and what is so alluring about it, are the fact the sun shines every single day for free, and that solar power panels generate zero CO2 emissions.
The sun generates more than 10,000 times the amount of energy the entire world consumes annually. This vast potential for "free" energy remains greatly untapped as our dependence on fossil fuels has hindered funding and research into solar energy as a potential substitute. Most of the criticism of solar power is based on this reality; the technology is simply lagging. However, our technology tends to progress proportionally to the amount of money we invest in that technology. With concerns over dependence on fossil fuels and CO2 emissions growing, the funding and research into alternative energy sources is growing as well. One of the benefactors of this increased awareness is solar energy.
Fossil fuels create large amounts of CO2, and CO2 contributes to what is commonly called global warming. Yet, alternative energy sources such as solar power do not create CO2 emissions. Solar power is a source of "clean energy" or "green energy," and coupled with its abundance there is ample reason for us to continue to explore solar energy not just as an alternative energy source, but as a potential foundation of energy production.
Solar power presents so many positives it is foolish to discount it now because it is "too expensive" or "impractical". All those old enough to remember when CD players came out remembers they were gigantic and cost a small fortune. However, once people caught onto to the benefits of CD's the technology exploded and the cost dropped significantly. The point being, the more people push for solar power and alternative energy sources, the more money governments and businesses will invest in the technology.
http://greenlivingideas.com/2007/07/08/what-are-the-benefits-of-solar-power/
This planning application at Tilmanstone will benefit our local community and the solar panels themselves will not bee seen, as they will be on top of our old colliery tip.
As for their cost and effectiveness, that one I will leave to you.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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The reality from a sitting government MP
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Keith.
Refreshing to hear some common sense from a politician.
However, my posts are about the name of this thread, not about global warming or climate change.
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Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Sorry Gary, every single point you make in post 41 is wrong on all counts.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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It's all on the alter of the green push to satisfy EU nonsense co2 targets
The climate change bill £400 billions
the land owners are the big winners we will have to foot the bill for this crap
If we where not in the EU no UK politician would be supporting this
This energy is not free to harvests, this is not a new technology
And I guarantee you,
you will be sticking an extra £20 a month on your leccy key in 2 years time
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Philip.
Read my post #41 properly.
I lifted that off google and gave you link below. Hence my opening sentence "We can all lift links but are they worth it?"
I sometimes wonder if any posting is worth the effort for some.
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Keith.
We don't have to wait for two years, I cant afford to live now and I am struggling to feed my cats.
And now it seems I am going to be responsible for pushing up the leccy bill.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Gary you know how I feel about it coal and more coal is the way forward and uk coal at that.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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OK here goes:
Solar panels are not carbon neutral (even if you care about such things which I certainly don't). Their carbon footprint is huge in terms of the manufacturing process and the carbon dioxide emitted in terms of shipping them from China . The mining for the chemicals to make them is very damaging to the environment not to mention humans but of course rich westerners don't bother with that - out of sight out of mind.
Like wind turbines they rely on spinning reserve from fossil fuel power stations as back up when the wind doesn't blow or on cloudy days. For some reason they are useless at night time. When energy demand is at it's highest they are generally useless because of weather conditions and time of day although they reach their peak efficiency when we least need it (clue, the height of summer).
I have no concerns regarding fossil fuels though I know some do haven falling into the catastrophic mindset pushed by greenies, large energy companies and those who stand to make a fortune from "renewable" energy which is a misnomer. It goes against every scientific principle.
Solar, alongside wind is the most expensive method of power generation on the planet. In order to reach the utopian dream of really being self sufficient in this crazy idea we would have to cover half of the UK with panels and wind turbines which, ironically, would only really please the extreme end of the green movement and of course those companies involved in the business.
I suspect that any problems we face in terms of building new housing stock would pale into insignificance because of the impact they would have on the countryside.
Then of course there is the biofuel scam where self deluded fools think that they will save the planet by replacing food crops with petrol crop leading to food shortages, deforestation, higher food prices and even more carbon emissions but that's another subject.
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Vic.
The UK does not own much coal any more, so we will not benefit even if they decide to mine it in some way for the future.
PhilipP.
"Ok here goes:" I presume that was for my benefit?
Let me tell you that the whole of that post is completely wasted on me as I have no interest in your obsession.
In case it has not sunk in yet. I am firmly sat on the fence on this one and I am not going to budge.
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Hardly an obsession, merely happy to point out where the government is going wrong on this issue and the massive implications it has on the future of our economy. Higher unemployment, higher death rate, more expensive bills for everything we pay for, starvation in developing nations, the ruination of our countryside and seas and so on and so forth.
What you describe as my obsession costs no money to anybody.
I don't understand how you can describe my interest on this topic as obsessive when every day we are told that the planet is in peril and we have to build ridiculous monsters like solar arrays to combat the problem.
Now if you are looking for obsession don't bother pointing the finger at me - point it at the party you voted for. Point it at the supermarkets who insist you buy a bag for life.
Point it at the energy companies who are complicit in this big game.
Point it at the BBC and other publicly funded bodies who stifle the truth.
Nah, I'm not obsessed just a little ticked off having to not only swallow this nonsense but pay for it to boot!
Obsessed - Pah!
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Philip.
I was the one having the finger pointed at me, which is fine, because of my post supporting "Solar power farms 34 acres nr dover" which in case you forgot, is the name of this thread.
It does not matter to me on this issue what governments or other groups for or against what you obviously care a lot about because it is an issue that I am pleased to stay out of and it does not interest me what so ever.
Wasted - Pah!
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Bring them here we need them nothing wrong with them they are better then all the rest and lets see some wind farms to if it can bring cost of fuel down even better.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Result!
The fewer solar and wind farms the faster our energy bills drop and hopefully the more home grown food we can produce.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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You can still grow in a wind farm. And lets also get the UK mining again for coal.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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I didn't know that Vic. Which types of crop can you grow on a solar farm?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The same as on a farm just need to workout how you get it harvest or have cows,sheep etc.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The same as on a farm just need to workout how you get it harvest or have cows,sheep etc. sir.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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I see. I'm guessing they'd have to manufacture some very thin tractors to wind their way between each array. Some very low ones too in order to get under the panels.
It's doable.