Republican feeling is way more than a "fringe" BarryW - I think you will find less royal fervour than you might think! And I really don't see any spite and certainly no shallowness. Just good, clean, sense and intelligent argument. Why is it spiteful or shallow to prefer people to earn their place rather than inherit it, often inappropriately?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Barry, out-spoken as ever!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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No losing of any argument. I have yet to see an argument to successfully counter the points I have made about the massive benefit the Royal Familiy bring to Britain.
Unless some of you republicans can do that then your arguments can simply be described as superfiscal.
Who else in the UK can gain a worldwide audience of 2bn for a national event. In fact who else in the world can do that for their marraige? That kind of publicity cannot be bought. Of course it does not stop at a marraige, there is the jubillee to come that will also have the same effect. Not to mention many other national events exclusive to having our Royal family. The Prince William and Kate themselves are destined to be royal superstars attracting mssive attention wherever they go.
Do not suggest that this does not matter, it does. It will give a massive economic boost to this country and not just to our tourism industry either. It will help us in international diplomatic relations. No other country in the world can attract that kind of attention and have such a powerful diplomatic weapon to use.
Republicans will throw all of that away and for what? Nothing. It is just an extension of some miss-placed dislike of having a royal family. You simply do not have any argument of substance or if you have you are strangely shy of deploying it...
Howard - many people who vote Labour are a royalist as I am, but ideological socialists in the Labour party certainly are not. This is not a party political issue though and I have never suggested it is.
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"Unless some of you republicans can do that then your arguments can simply be described as superfiscal." Barry, it's always about the money with you!
As for the viewing figures, how is this an argument? By the same reasoning we can make an 'argument' for The X-Factor being more important than PMQ; The Sun being the best newspaper, Tesco being the best place to buy food.
Money is no argument as I have said, privilege is what is in question and it is simply incongruent with the work ethic of 'you have have to work to get what you want'. An outlook that has brought you success, and one which I commend. If it's one rule for some and another for others, then we ruin our ability to objectively use terms such as 'lazy' or successful.
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Your 'its all about money' argument says it all about you as a matter of fact DT1.
Yes, it is about money - it is about boosting the economy, creating jobs and more wealth for this country. So the 'its all about money' argument you accuse me of is actually 'its all about people' - the jobs and prosperity that ordinary people need....
You, with that statement, show up where socialism comes into this argument. Socialist are only too ready to ignore what is best for the economy in order to pursue their pet ideals and in doing so end up seriously damaging the economy. A price worth paying for you maybe but I have to disagree. Your personal prejudices and ideals should not be allowed to damage the future of other people. Millions in this country cannot afford your ideals.
Regarding viewing figures. Another deeply flawed argument you make comparing a second rate talent show to a national event that will benefit the economy by £billions over many years.
DT1- Location: Dover
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My point about the TV is that it is far from an indicator of support. My point being that watching TV is a fairly passive act and hardly allows us why people should be watching it. Eg my mum watched it to see what posh spice was wearing and my Dad watched (because he had to) and likes to moan and swear about them. What if everyone was doing this? Is that support?
I know the x-factor generates a lot of money, but I think it's unfair to call the wedding a second rate talent show, posh spice has still got it!
As for the money bit, it says nothing about me as it was a joke. You put 'fiscal' not 'ficial', suggesting money was on your mind...it was a joke honest!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I said nothing about the tv figures being an indication of support for the royal family as such, that is not the angle I used. In fact it is meaningless in those terms, I although being pro-royal could not be bothered to watch. My point was different DT1.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Barry, are you trying to persecute us?
Jan Higgins
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Alexander, what a strange comment.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Alright, Jan. Then lets see if the tourist attraction that Barry promotes is compatible with with serious discussion.
Now lets see what there is serious in Barry's approach: the head of State is a tourist attraction, the head of the Army is a great tourist attraction. The head of the Church of E. is an incredible tourist attraction.
And so from generation to generation. Ha ha! And that's being serious?
I had thought I had indicated a couple of reasonable thoughts that if examined might constitute an argument (eg that dictatorships and monarchies often look alarmingly similar etc etc), but perhaps I over estimated the audience? I hadn't thought so, though.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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That similarity may apply to monarchies where the monarch heads up the executive, Bern (Saudi Arabia cpmes to mind). I don't think it is true of constitutional monarchies where the sovereign effectively guarantees the democratic processes by virtue of the fact that the armed forces have sworn their allegiance to the Crown and not to the Government of the day.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
The similarities are not identical, true, but many of the principles are close enough to cause a bit of a sweat.....!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Surely the Armed Forces don't go and pay their allegience so that 2 billion people can tune in to over-exagerated smiles posing in front of the cameras, while our Country goes more bankrupt from day to day and jobs become more of a dream.
Mrs Kate has got millionaire parents anyway, surely that is not the world most people here in Britain care to bow down and scrape to!
Keith Sansum1
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it is strange that our barryw states it's not political then goes on to mention the labour party and socialism and his distaste for them.
not political then barryw lol
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Alex if we get rid of the monarchy then that flag on your avatar will become a relic of the past. The monarchy is the glue holding the Union together.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Brian Dixon
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peter,how much longer can that hold out,seeing that wales,scotland and nothern iseland have there own paliments/asemberlies etc.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Peter, the Flag was flying long before William and Kate were ever born, or have you decided that they have "become the head of our Flag"?
The Flag represents Britain and Ireland, say what you will, it does, and not even the Windsors will manage to become the retrospective heads of British history from the Neolithic Stone Age till the End of Time!
Ha ha!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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alex,our boys will be home soon,so dont worry your little self about it.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Brian, it's not me personally, but many families in Britain are worried, those who have a soldier in Afgunistan.