Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
howard,have you got photo evidence of this.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Brian
I have nothing against smokers,they provide a good tax return, it's a free country. What I do object to is their litter and puffing in my direction. The same with MacDonalds,I don't eat them but couldn't care less if others do but again I object to stepping over their rubbish in the streets.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
bern,nothing drirectly but the fines connect them.
marek,i understand what you are saying, but segagration is not the answer but a compramise might help.
as for mcdonalds i can take it or leave it,i have seen enough rubbish littering the town from differant outlets.
and i would suppose barryw will put his ten bobs worth in when he next posts.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,883
As schools have been mentioned, the litter trail from Morrisons to Frith Road and in the Dour has increased enormously since the little and not so little horrors have been back at school.
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Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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I wholeheartedly agree with Bern and Marek.
And as for people smoking whilst driving - I once, in Lincoln, saw the result of an accident when a man dropped his lit cigarette on the floor when driving and bent down to retrieve it.
He ended up straight into a telegraph pole and was seriously injured. He could also have hit others.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
as a side would the person who droped the butt end got fined £75 for droping a sweet wrapper.if not one dose think that the ofender was being victemised otherwise.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Brian.
I am big on compromise and think it should be used much more than it is now but not for smoking.
Either you have an isolated place for smokers or no smoking in public places.
It is not fair on babies' kids youths men and women who do not smoke to be forced to inhale or put up with the mess and health hazard's that smoking produces.
I also think smoking should be banned in rooms at home used by infants and young children.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
garyc,thats a pc outlook.at one time you could smoke allmost every where untill the anti smoking came into force,now smokers are looked apon as dregs of sociaty evan though they excess taxses on there habit.
if all smokers gave up smoking [and theres millions of them] the goverments revenue would drop dramaticly,which in turn would cripple essentauall services,like nhs hosp[itals,education etc.
but no one has answerd the question i posed.would the person who droped the fag butt,would that same person be fined the same amount for droping a sweet wraper.probaly not.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,883
As he was charged with littering, yes he would have been fined for dropping a sweet wrapper.
As an aside I hate the smell of tobacco on peoples clothes and breath. YUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Just an aside for all those complaining about having to smell smoke on others. The other day I was in a supermarket queue when the woman in front of me left the queue and wandered over to join another. I immediately stepped forward and then realised why she had moved away, the stench of a woman's perfume was almost suffocating.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I am never quite sure which is worse, stale or cheap perfume or B O both of which stink to put it mildly. I have to put up with the latter quite often at the shop, again YUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Brian,
My post is absolutely not PC.
It is my personal view that I believe is right, from my point of view.
I am with Marek, I have no problem with people smoking, that is their right and I respect that right, I have many friends who smoke.
All I ask is for the same respect, which is, I do not want to inhale their smoke or put up with the mess that accompanies their smoking.
More should be done to help smokers who want to continue smoking with respect to other's but those that choose to smoke without respect to others and to litter our streets with fag-ends, should be stopped.
All litter droppers, of all kinds, should be fined to cover cost of clearing up their mess, but I don't think fines of £75 are the answer.
More smoking areas, more signs and more receptacles would help.
You talk of compromise Brian, smoke in designated smoking areas and then non smokers cannot complain?
That's a compromise.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
GaryC, as always, you talk perfect sense!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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garyc,fair dos.but i do wish that some of these non smokers would get oh there high horse and respect smokers needs.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Chris.
Very true and of course not the wearer's fault but since I worked down the Channel Tunnel, breathing in years of diesel fumes, I have become allergic to many perfumes, sprays and paint fumes.
So much so, when a woman passed me in Ashford Woolworth's, I passed out.
My wife can't wear any of that stuff now, save's me a few bob though.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
there's litter and there's litter, how much should these miscreants be fined?
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Brian.
Agreed.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I have read all the posts on this thread and haven't witnessed any non smoker getting on their 'high horse'. It's all about respecting one anothers rights,feelings and considerations.
I now find that if my wife and I want to dine out we have to sit inside as the al fresco diners are all smokers and sods law being as it is the smoke always comes wafting over my lobster or moules.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
And that litter thing - those bits of derelict furniture are dreadful and punishments should always be proportionate and send a message. But it is a continuum - if we tolerate litter at the thin end, people will always push the boundaries and litter will get bigger. Zero tolerance of litter will produce, well, zero litter!!
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Outdoors is always going to be an issue.
If an isolated place, with good extractor fans above, can be used then maybe that would work.
If not then I do not want to sit next to a smoker whilst I eat.
In my case it would be crab and winkles, Marek
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
