Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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A few weeks ago, on 13 October, there was a by-election for a KCC seat in Kent, Meopham North the lovely area, and UKIP came second with 462 votes.
The Tory candidate came first with 648 votes.
LibDems were third with 148, and Labour fourth with just over 112 votes.
That put UKIP at 34%.
UKIP has actually attracted many former Labour supporters too.
According to my information from various channels, the party has overtaken the LibDems in national popularity, becoming already the third party.
In Kent, this popularity is much higher, as we can see from the latest election result.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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WE start again next week going out and around parts of Dover, if the weather is kind to us.Parts of Deal already done,
Keith Sansum1
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lets hope the branch less ukip in dover has the backing of its branch to stand candidates in the local elections.
speaking to ukip active branch members they dont feel they want candidates in locl elections
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, local UKIP members have been doing a lot to promote the cause in the Dover and Deal area. Vic has just stated this, and I have being doing my part too in my own way.
We're all in this together.
If Meopham has 34% UKIP popularity, then Dover and Deal should also be at these levels by now.
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Oh dear Keith I feel another war of words about to commence:-does Dover have a UKIP branch or not?
Vic-has the website been modified to clarify the situation?
Never give up...
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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There is a UKIP Dover and Deal branch. This has never been disputed.
Keith knows that UKIP has left Labour way back in fourth place in the latest Kentish Council be-election in Meopham, and the LibDems in third, so he will now concentrate his efforts on our party.
Possibly giving Barry a rest.
Keith: welcome to 4th place!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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richard;
no the web site the same;
alexander;
honestly i realy do love your enthusiasm for ukip(if your a member or not, or accepted by the branch(if there is one lol)
looking to the local scene, speaking with ukip active members in dover there view is not to muddy the waters, and not to stand candidates as ukip candidates in the local elections, they feel they would prefer to get into the more national scene.
on the meopham result, it was hardly a labour seat, so wouldnt get to excited about that result, if i were you alexander you should hope that the local ukip have a change of heart otherwise your dream of replacing labour in local elections won't ever come about.
of course then on the national scene, it will go back to a 2 horse race
with the small parties such as the lib dems and ukip picking up a few seats
but the overall will be a tory or labour govt.
thats reality.
of course we have the latest on the lib dems who will be destroyed at the next election, and ukip unable to make a breakthrough.
then we have the tories likely to be affected should ukip make any ground.
of course although probably a good thing
often smaller parties such as ukip often just split a vote, never winning seats just keeping one major or the other out of office
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Alex you are battling well there for UKIP and indeed UKIP may have got some good results but it just looks like an anomaly in the system.
Yesterdays YOUGOV POll ( a highly respected organisation) shows....
LABOUR 41%
CONSERVATIVE 37%,
LDEM 8%
Support for 'Others' ( UKIP being one of them) is very small as to be negligible in relation to the individual parties included in the term 'Others' ...The term 'Others' includes all parties like Plaid Cymru UKIP etc etc..however they do record
"growing support for OTHER parties"
so, some optimism there, but still as you can see a long way to go for any of the smaller parties.
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Nice to see UKIP back in the headlines on the forum.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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paulb
i'm sure i just said all that lol
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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If Cameron doesn't get his act together on Europe we shall see a liblab coalition after the next election, UKIP having gutted the Tory grass roots vote.
Ironic postscript: when I typed liblab above, my spellchecker suggested kibosh!
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Keef yes we did post in similar vein..when I set out on my post yours wasnt there..! It had manifested itself in the meantime.
That post did take me a while as I had to go and doublecheck the YouGov poll while doing it.
Peter I dont see a LibLab pact on the cards, although gawd knows the way politics is going anything might happen. But the Libdems are so far down in the ratings now Im not sure anyone would want to team up with them...although...when politicians get desperate...
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Keith, I am a member of UKIP, having renewed my membership in October last month. There is no "if". I have a membership card that can quite prove this if you wish to see it
Paul, Yougov very recently placed UKIP at 7% popularity. Almost level with the LibDems then.
But among some groups of voters as defined in polling statistics (which are class-based ie working class, highly skilled, average, low-paid etc.), the support is at 11%.
However, the total 7% as recognised by Yougov evidently did not state "others", but UKIP.
In fact, the three parties you mention together come to 84%, so that leaves 14% for the others, and half of that 14% is our party.
In recent by-elections over the past months, UKIP have come second twice, so the trend is is there, and it is an upwards trend.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Yes indeed Alex you are absolutely right, according to my figures here UKIP stand at 7% which has shown some growth, all the small parties under the 'Others' label have seen some growth, this is probably due to mid term disgruntlement with the government. What UKIP need to do is to transfer all this into at least one seat. Nigel Farage had a fair stab at it last time around, stood down as leader to concentrate on the election. I dont have his figures immediately to hand but despite him being a familiar and good TV performer he failed to transfer it into a win. In fact he was well beaten as I remember. This despite something of a pre election flurry. So, no seat for UKIP as yet.
The interesting thing is as you say...only 1% behind a rudderless Libdem outfit which is still floundering on the rocks. If UKIP claw their way higher in the polls they will probably leave the 'Others' tag behind.
So...All to play for. But remember second is no good, its win or nothing in politics.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Mr Farage went for the wrong seat.as I said at the time to him and the party,he would have done alot better even got in,if he had gone for one in this part of the UK,he is very well know and liked down on this part of the UK,I have asked him and the party if he would like to stand in Dover.
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Nigel stands great chances of success, as, since May 2010, when at 3.5%, UKIP support has doubled, and I reckon Nigel will be in Parliament after fighting for his present consituency.
Here in Dover and Deal we will also fight hard, and must come first! In Meopham, the UKIP candidate stood and fought an urbanisation growth points project similar as we have in Dover (Whitfield) and Deal (Sholden), and this gained him massive support on a local issue.
So in our constituency we can certainly stand up on the local issues and challenge the Tory-Labour ideals which we all know so well, and carry the day!
We must aim for nothing less than coming first. A UKIP Dover and Deal candidate is destined to enter Parliament, this I am sure of.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i wondered about that alex, i read today that there is a big rebellion in meopham about a big development planned.
thought to myself a good place for a minor party to make its mark, cannot blame ukip but will voters return to their main parties at general election time?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I must say I do not like going out to meeting at night times anymore,but MR Farage is talking at a public meeting on Thursday 10th of November,at Sittingbourne. I might just go over and see him again and try to get him to come down to Dover to hold a public meeting.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Yes, Howard, crowds from Gravesend to Meopham have turned out in the street with placards demonstrating against the plans to build hundreds of houses on the Green Belt.
It has surpassed the St. Paul demonstrations in London for numbers on the ground. All peaceful and democratic, but with the evident message that the masses don't want the Green Belt ot be sold off for growth points.
This is why UKIP got 34% there the other week, for representing the people on a local issue, which should once and for all do away with the idea that the party is a one-issue movement called "out of the EU".
Local democracy is an equally important issue.
Vic, a good idea to ask Nigel to Dover to talk to the people.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Just to go back to the national percentages for the moment...
although UKIP are running at a boosted 7% in the national YouGov polls and the Libdems are running a mere 1% above them...there nevertheless is a huge diiference embodied in that 1%.
What is it you ask?
Seats...yes seats. The Libdems have a large number of seats and although their poll rating has slipped from a once ( albeit brief) popular high..they have a considerable amount of seats in parliament...55 or so.
They have turned their percentage in the polls into seats in parliament. UKIP have nary a one as we know and yes I would agree that Nigel Farage is the most likely to win a seat for UKIP. But the voter often votes with tradition in a general election and would a party with one MP in parliament make much of a voice. The Greens have one MP, Caroline Lucas, she rattles about and makes a lot of noise but can a single MP ever get anything done?