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NATO has released a report on Afghanistan, revealed today on SKY NEWS.
It emerges that the Pakistani government and secret services are supplying roadside bombs and detonation equipment to the Taliban, with the express intention of blowing up British and allied soldiers.
The report further states that both Afghan officials and the Pakistani government have no intention of allowing the war in Afghanistan to come to an end. Afghan government officials have become rich on the $4 billion a year opium trade and on transport commissions for supplying NATO forces involved in combat.
On their part, the Pakistani secret service does not want India to gain a foothold in a peaceful Afghanistan, for which reason they continue sponsoring the Taliban.
Meanwhile, many among the Afghan security forces are in agreement with the Taliban, selling or donating to them Afghan army weapons and equipment, all supplied by the West to president Karzai's government in Kabul to fight the Taliban.
"The arms bazaar in Miran Shah, the Pakistani base of many Taliban groups, has seen a surge in Afghan government weapons for sale, and even the distinctive Ford Ranger vehicles provided by the US to the Kabul forces which have been sold or donated by Afghan soldiers to the Taliban, the Nato intelligence report said."
The weapons used to kill and injure British soldiers in Afghanistan are coming from the West!
How can anyone claim that Britain is helping to train Afghan security forces, while hundreds of our soldiers are being blown up by weapons and technology handed over to Pakistan by the same Afghan security forces, and then given by the Pakistani secret service to the Taliban?
Our soldiers are not defending queen and Country in Afghanistan, but are being brain-washed with mumbo jumbo and cruelly sacrificed in a war they cannot win.
This is unfair on our soldiers.
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http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16161088Ross Miller
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Here let me correct if for you
The report further states that both American & British Government officials and the Western arms industry have no intention of allowing the war in Afghanistan to come to an end as they have become rich and it serves their long term strategic aims regarding energy supplies.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I am not sure what energy we get from Pakistan or Afghanistan so your point seem totally invalid there Ross. I really do not agree with your cynicism over the arms industry either.
If either had oil then yes, that would be a good reason to be there though.
As for the original post, 'rogue forces' in the Pakistani Security services and government are those guilty here and this is not a reason to capitulate. Imagine the nightmare scenario in which the Taliban take control of Pakistan with it nuclear weapons.
I am not sure what the solution is here but our security forces need to working at it.
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And meanwhile our soldiers are killed and maimed.
I can believe this, but is it true ?
Roger
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Going by the number of suspected and convicted terrorists that have connections with Pakistan, the report is not exactly a surprise.
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Very true Jan. We can see why the USA did not inform the Pakistani government that they were sending in the SEALS to kill Bin Laden.
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Yes that was the first thing I thought of too BarryW. It leaks like a sieve over there and Bin Laden would have fled long before the SEALS arrived...and on top of that they could have been ambushed. Pakistan were affronted at the time but you can see why the Americans took this silent option. Those SEALS guys are a bit useful..they did the pirates last week too.
Following on also from all the French soldiers shot last week by someone they were trying to help, 4 dead, 16 others also shot but recovering, it does make you just wonder if its all a complete waste of time. These guys were shot by an Afghan soldier/policeman working alongside them..not the first time this has happened.
I heard a late report last night on Radio 4 which said that huge regions of Afghanistan would prefer to be governed by the Taliban, they dont want Karzai...several experts were confirming this, including the very believable Tory MP Rory Stewart who was formerly an army officer and served out there.
This is something Ive always believed would happen..history tells us this. When the intruders move away, the tumbleweeds of previous life roll back in slowly. Western lives are lost holding a sort of status quo, this status quo cant be maintained forever and when the westerners go the previous system rolls back in and people end up doing what they want to do, and usually that means doing what they did before.
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I think I shall not comment until I have read the entire report, not just fragments leaked by vested interests.
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I think we do have to question ourselves as to why or when we coninue to go into different counntries.
Taking barryw views it would be unstandable if it were to stop terrorists operating within our country, but what we see is, like roger says a large number of soldiers killed, and still terrorists within our country.
the oil to, is one we need to consider, but pakistan doesn't have that so we are back to the terrorists.
Like Paulb says the soldiers are unsure who the enemy is, when, like paulb says the french soldier was killed by someone who was supposed to be on the same side!!!!!
what the answer is, like barryw i don't know, but whilst we continue the same route our boys and girls are killed
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The big question though is just how many more will be killed, including British civilians if the Taliban were to take control and to once again set up training camps for terrorists and even worse use Afghanistan as a base to destabilise Pakistan and to gain control of nuclear weapons. These are high stakes.
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i suppose it's difficult for the families of killed soldiers to understand
more so when other countries sit back
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Perhaps the answer is to drink more tea?...
http://www.threecupsoftea.com/Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
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before the taleban too control bandits ran amok making the lives of many a misery, that is why the afghan people on the whole welcomed them despite the strict codes forced upon them.
it has to be said also though no people want a foreign power on their soil and would prefer any sort of home rule.
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THATS PART OF THE PROBLEM howard
thus our boys die whilst we decide when or if to pull out
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It has also to be said Howard that the Russians were there by invitation. Karzai too, more by invitation that choice.
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A couple of things here:
1/ Howard, there were massive differences between the north and south of 'ghan. The Taliban held sway and had a lot of support in the south, yes - but not the north where they imposed their ways by force.
2/ There is a world of difference between the Russian invasion and what we are doing there Tom. The small communist leaning puppet government they had is unlike the present regime and they were imposing their rule by massive force of arms that was for great that what we have there. Our enemy is just the Talaban.
3/ No-one has yet said anything about the big problem I pointed out. You 'give a view' that just ignores the elephant in the room and in real geo-politics we cannot do that.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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nuclear weapons are a problem whoever has them, the fact is that nato has already announced that they are leaving afghanistan.
sadly i foresee future problems in the region, newly rich india also with nuclear weapons will not want anything to hamper their progress so any tensions between them and pakistan will get worse once afghanistan are free.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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there are a number of ongoing problems throughout the world, the question is can we continue to squeeze are limited resources?
the taliban yes are an enemy but others infiltrate and cause our boys problems and worse as we see every day of the week
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - I disagree. Nuke cannot be disinvented so all we can do is take whatever measure are necessary to stop them falling into the hands of terrorists and crazies. That is the real reason we need to be in 'ghan.
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WHAT DO YOU RECKON HOWARD?
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