Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
So what do you suggest?
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Im clueless as i know they have been offered the help some people like their lifestyles but shouldnt be pestering normal folk for thier addictions and a matter of health risks should be included in that as other people sit upon seats in pencester and i witnessed one man urinating whilst just sitting there its wrong and disgusting if rats and seagulls are a risk then what about this behaviour?????
You know they have been offered help...........? Normal folk? Health Risks? I can see you have put a lot of thought into this....................
I wonder: given a choice, would people prefer to sit in their own pi$$ or are there other things at play here?
No one is immune from mental health troubles. That could be any of us, or our parents, brothers and sisters, kids.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
bit of pigeon holing here, i have seen no evidence of mental health problems amongst the riff raff that besmirch market square and pencester gardens.
all i see is bad behaviour and general contempt from them.
I take it you drive and dont use public transport, im not going into who i talk to or know but they have been offered the help its their choice to live as they do yet others suffer for it, what would of you have done if that was your 4 yr old son asked in front of his mum for his pocket money then the sod went as far as asking me for twenty pounds as he needed some cigarettes, this same man has no problems walking around with feaces upon his trousers. Dover has many unsavoury people that cant all be mentally ill, most people who do have such issues arent such a problem, its more a drug and booze problem that mental illness Bern.
That may be the case, Howard. As you say, we don't know. That's just as stereotyping. Walk a mile in my shoes and all that.
Thankyou Howard .
I have many a friend with such mental health issues if truth be known so its not like i cant tell the difference.
Drug and booze problem.....? And where do they start, then? It is easy to despise addicts, and I would have been just as inflamed and angry if my kids were approached by a smelly nothing-to-lose addict. I am just asking for a little less hostility towards people who are, after all, people.
ANd Rosses question has yet to be answered: what do you suggest?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
bern
have you spoken to any of the people that behave badly in town?
i have and they know they are doing wrong by the fact that they cannot look me in the face.
they rely on the tick box stuff from the educated to get away with the stuff they do.
if a catchphrase is required i would suggest "arrested development".
Um police, more laws, rehab if wanted, ban booze being sold to the usual lots. They have to HELP THEMSELFS BEFORE ANYONE CAN MAKE A CHANGE, to many people make excuses for them .
Im with William Glasser re addictions and other behavioural issues
His appraoch can be ( badly ) summed up as , Thats really sad.now what are you going to do about it .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
exactly sarah, we all have some sort of problem - no need to make other people unhappy.
I hope you have got the paracetamol in Howard heres a link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice_theoryI don't think I have advocated any other way. I deal with people with addictions all the time often on forensic settings and there isn't any way a pink and fluffy approach will work. But I don't think abuse and hostility work any better. It isn't necessary to be unkind to be firm and non-fluffy. As one of our workers said the other day to one of our chaps: if you don't behave I will fetch the Boss. He behaved. And I have never been unkind or raised my voice, just straight talking and resolute.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
I think its correct we should not generalise, but those i have seen and been in contact with as howard and others have said, are intimidating, abusive, drunk from 9am to night.
what to do is a big issue, but if these people are unwilling to be helped then we should be questioning the above and if they should be allowed to continue to harrass passers by.
if i'm honest i have to pass the 8 bells on a regular basis day and night and feel i take my life in my hands
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
To be fair to the 8 Bells, they barred all their troublemakers before Christmas and the problems you refer to, Keith, have largely gone away.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Bern like i said i take it you drive so enjoy please.
