Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#1
To be or not to be ..I gather on another thread re motion for Town Council this evening a motion will be put re Councillors wearing their robes.I gather some Councillors are refusing to wear them on Civic occasions.Some are using this for political reasons.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#2
good old fashion snobbery.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#3
Yes Brian .Im glad I did not wear one .A lovely hat for me .Trouble is some of them are I’ll fitting and shabby.Still if you have a Town Mayor that’s tradition.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#4
Some traditions are important others are not. I think robes are outdated for such a small insignificant group as DTC.
But having said that, if the robes are deemed important then all councillors should wear them on important occasions, it should never be up to an individual to decide whether to wear them or not.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#5
My point Jan
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
#6
Funny I always found that the same individuals suddenly changed their mind when it came to their turn to be Mayor or Deputy.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#7
Just read the motion was defeated.
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
#8
Quite right too. This was fiddling while Dover burns.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#9
So will they do away with Mayor making?.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#10
So will they do away with Mayor making?.
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
#11
They should do away with all the pomp and expense associated with mayor making and everything our servants in MDH do. The one time I attended mayor making (Neil Rix’s first attempt) there was a string quartet playing in the gallery of the Stone Hall and a free trough (sorry, buffet) laid out in the Connaught Hall where many of the town’s worthies were strutting around giving each other Masonic handshakes. The new Mayor reminded me of nothing more than a huge peacock in his robes and ceremonial hat, greeting friend, foe, councillor and stranger alike with a bewildered and slightly fatuous grin on his face. And to think that most of the people who pay for all this waste have no chance to enjoy it or even know it’s going on.
In my view also, the lavish surroundings of Maison Dieu House should be sold off and the Town Council offices and meetings situated somewhere which is far cheaper. MDH is full of hardly-used space; for a Town Council not to use its own perfectly good Town Hall but to have a separate prestige 17th-Century grade 2*-listed building for its own exclusive use is a vanity which the town can no longer afford and should not have afforded for years. Anyone who has ever owned a listed building can testify to the extra expense of maintaining it compared to more modern accommodation.
At the end of the day, DTC is a parish council that seems to think it should behave as if it were the House of Lords.
Marcus Tullius Cicero once wisely said: ‘The more servants the State employs, the more they imagine themselves to be our masters.’ It seems that little has changed in 2000 years.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#12
I have attended several Mayor making occasions.The first year when they introduced the string quartet I was amazed.To think most of the Labour Councillors represent deprived wards.Sandwich Mayor making more low key.Deal in between the two.
DTC could hold Mayor making in MDH.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#13
With luck this might be the beginning of the end of DTC who seem to believe they are actually wanted or needed by the town. As far as I am concerned the whole setup is a costly waste of money, they are simply parish councillors with an exaggerated sense of self importance.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
#14
Let's look at this a little more widely
Sue harps on about attacking Labour yet makes no mention that it was much the same when a very loose indies /tories ran it
Who couldn't even agree with each other thus they lost control 2 years before they needed to
If we go on about wastage I had to campaign to stop the wastage on DDC garden parties
And Often Sue would support them as somewhere she could wear all her hats!!!
So I don't think this should be about labour bashing
There's needs to be some consistency
Don't forget although a few mayor's over the years could be seen as maybe embarrassing the position
The latest independent mayor a few years back hit national headlines as well as international headlines which put DTC in A very poor light
But he had the support of the local conservatives on DTC!!
Dtc like Kcc and DDC will fight to keep the councils we should do away with at least 1 of them but that won't happen any time soon
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#15
Typical of Keith to make it all about something it's not and bigging himself up!
Sue mentions once: labour cllrs who represent deprived wards.
The DTC is a pathetic waste of taxpayers money and should certainly be abolished, though as Keith says that is unlikely to happen any time soon, especially with the self serving narcissists it attracts.
Arte et Marte
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#16
Thanks Reg at least you read my posts.I see at last we have a seat by the bus stop outside the hospital.Arms would have been nice but at least one can sit down .i appreciate these cost. but it was awful having to stand .
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
#17
Well having an opinion Reginald just like others
Anyway let's get back to what actually is being discussed
Quite correctly Sue made comment on labour cllrs, but it was, as I say no different under Conservative control
So why not say all parties have got it wrong?
The indication is its only labour which is not factual.
On the robes this has been discussed since DTC formation
I think I share the view is it really that important in the scale of things being neglected in Dover?
On the question of councils
Sue's conservatives support DTC just as much as the rest of the divided parties on DTC
I did approach the leader of DTC tory group stating when labour took over from an embarrassing tory and indy administration
That as the vote was 9 9 now
Tories indies and others should have a strategy on challenging every Labour decision
His reply was
The tory and indy groups don't listen to him
So there's no point
So sometimes you bring it on yourselves
There is no one on Kcc DDC DTC pushing an agenda to get rid of 1 or more councils so we are stuck with all 3 for years to come
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#18
I concur with some of your comments Keith.They must learn to comprise .Common sense gone out of the window.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#19
#17 a useful post regarding the subject.
#14 a masterclass in whataboutery, in which one loses the audience.
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Arte et Marte
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
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