Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
- Posts: 4,010
The blues and closets are in Bullingdon mode....who else has seen green shoots.....?
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 5,673
No idea.... what you are.... talking...... about Reg.....
Merely pointing out how someones 'research' is taking info from one source taken from a Google search......
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
#20 - naughty Paul. I decided not to corner Alexander with that but seeing how it has gone on I suppose your exposing his source was justified.
Alexander - there is not actually a problem in using sources like that as long as you credit them.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
- Posts: 2,096
Alexander, answering your question in #1, yes - and as an example of why, the people running Stickleback Engineering in Rochester (just highlighted on BBC News) also think so - and they are making the electronic components you say are only made in China.
Reg, every time you comment on one of my posts the word closet comes up, why?
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
ray;
you are clearly not a closet tory, you are a supporter and thats fine.
BARRYW;
Ok so alexander has usec a lot of reserarch from someone else, so what??
all;'
part of barryw's argument on debt is to cut public spending, and to throw over 4 million on the dole.
now it must be questionable the cost of keeping 4 million long term unemployed
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
- Posts: 8,115
Thanks, Keith. In fact, research has to be based on what analysts write.
Paul, that was indeed one source of my research, but not the only one.
So far, 2 people say they believe the economy is on the way to recovery.
Keith's prediction of 4 million unemployed in the not too distant future as things are going now, is quite correct. It will of-course add to public spending by way of benefits, and reduce the amount of income-tax, as well as reduce the amount of money being spent in shops, thus dragging the economy into further financial collapse.
We mustn't forget that since May 2010, £150 billion have been added to the Public Debt, and that the Government has given the Bank of England permission to print well over 1 hundred billion pounds in QE, effectively doing a snip-snap paste and plaster job on the economy which otherwise would have already crashed through the bottom.
QE has a terrible side-effect: you do it once too often, and the currency collapses overnight, reeking havoc-style inflation, with share-market crashes with knock-on effects.
Let's see whether a few more people believe the economy is recovering.
The vote is still open....
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
this cobbled together govt is not predicting a recovery before 2015
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
Keith - pointless and silly comment in #25 - try reading what I actually said in #23.
The only person wanting 4million on the dole is you.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
barryw
whilst i may not support your views
cutting public spending, and job cuts(which is without doubt the outcome)will result in more unemployment, on top of the known 3.5 million unemployed at this time, so should your view become reality the figure of 4 million would be easily passed
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
Keith - public spending has to be cut, not doing so will cost a lot more jobs when interest rates shoot up sky high. Look too at the good news for employment and jobs, the more jobs getting chopped out of the public sector the more are created in the private sector - it is happening and it is in the wealth creating private sector we need them and not in the wealth consuming public sector.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
- Posts: 4,010
When the remaining 80 % of deficit cuts take hold we will be very fortunate to keep
below four million unemployed.
To even speak of green shoots is remarkable wishful thinking....do you hear voices
as well ?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
Imagine the impact of higher interest rates on business if we failed to cuts public spending. As it is the cuts are far too slow and not deep enough. The burden must be lifted from business to free it to generate wealth and jobs.
The public sector is simply far too large and unsupportable,a burden carried by the wealth creating side of the economy. If we want a sustainable economy and that means more jobs and better paid jobs then we must cut back the public sector far more than we are doing.
Time after time every single Labour government has driven the economy into the ground because it fails to understand the need for wealth creation and the damage done by burdening the private sector with an ever expanding public sector.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
- Posts: 4,010
imagine the revenue loss of over four million unemployed long term.Add to that the
enormous continual loss of the elite greedy pigs .....and many others......and the many
corporations avoiding paying tax.
If and when the private sector grows to even try to help out there will be even more
avoiding paying tax.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
Take it from me Reg - to try to solve a problem of over spending and debt with more spending and debt is total insanity. Try it on your credit cards and find out for yourself - that is not financial advice by the way....
Neither is the solution squeezing more and more tax out of people. That just further damages growth and removes money from the wealth creating sector. You also have to allow for the world as it is and not how you personally want it.
We need the public sector to shrink so the private sector can grow. It is only the private sector that creates wealth and the jobs we need for long term prosperity.
Look at what is happening now in the jobs market. What is happening is fragile but is in the right direction and this is why we need deeper faster cuts and a cutting out of more red tape all of which will ease the burden on the wealth creators.
This is simple common sense - free businesses to get on with their job and give them the confidence to invest and grow businesses.
We need a sustainable economy and one that has 50% or more swallowed up by the public sector is not sustainable.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
Some see private enterprise as a predatory target to be shot, others as a cow to be milked, but few are those who see it as a sturdy horse pulling the wagon.
Quote, Winston Churchill.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
whether we agree private is best
or private is an option
is neither here nor there
was hasn't been denied is the move towards 4 million joining the dole as a way of solving todays problems
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
To say it is the best or an option is simply wrong.
It is THE wealth generator in our economy. Peter's Churchill quote is spot on, the wagon being pulled is the public sector and the bigger and heavier it is the harder it is to pull...
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
Well now that is a strange, i thought you stated private is best promote such moves
interesting change
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
No Keith - get it right.
The private operation of many (or even most) public sector functions is best but even these nominally private businesses remain public sector, what is these days defined as the secondary public sector. We do need public sector (and secondary public sector) services but the priority must be with the wealth generating private sector that funds all of that, every single penny. It is a much more subtle distinction than you seem to see.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
- Posts: 8,115
Barry, the businesses are required to participate in servicing the Country's Debt.
This can only come about by paying tax.
Is there a tax on businesses to pay for the Public Debt?
If not, then which taxes are being used to pay, currently, £50 billion a year?