Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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10 February 2011
19:1792199...to keep the status quo by which prisoners do not get the vote.
By 234 to 22 they voted in favour of the following motion:
"That this House notes the ruling of the European Court of Human Rights in Hirst v the United Kingdom in which it held that there had been no substantive debate by members of the legislature on the continued justification for maintaining a general restriction on the right of prisoners to vote; acknowledges the treaty obligations of the UK; is of the opinion that legislative decisions of this nature should be a matter for democratically-elected lawmakers; and supports the current situation in which no prisoner is able to vote except those imprisoned for contempt, default or on remand."
Well done for standing up to the ECHR.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 February 2011
19:2392201i hope that is the case barry, whether it affects the final decision is another thing altogether.
i wonder why less than half bothered to vote though?
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10 February 2011
19:2792203Government minsters were given leave to abstain so that will account for up to about 100 of them. As for the rest I really dont know. It was never going to be a tight vote anyway.
Brian Dixon
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10 February 2011
20:3392218mmm intresting stand off.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 February 2011
20:4992225more an issue of a day off rather than a stand off brian.
i suppose many of them had more important things to do than vote on this issue, after all those expenses forms don't fill them out themselves.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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10 February 2011
20:5292226or went down to the nearist swedish massage parlor to have a indian head massage.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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11 February 2011
07:4792250I hope they vote (and I mean vote, not abstain) the same way when it comes to (NOT) increasing the EU budget.
Roger
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11 February 2011
08:4992258Most of the Labour Party didnt vote on this for some reason. They vacated the building.
Mr Cameron forgot yesterday for a while that he was the Prime Minister as he gave the bog standard reaction to this topic that he used to give while in opposition.
"The thoughts of prisoners voting makes me physically sick!"
said he in full opposition mode.However later when he fully realised the complexity of the situation he was less aggravational. So, kicking prisoners rights into touch and telling the European Court "UpYourDelors" wont work because we already have prisoners compensation claims in the pipeline (for being denied the vote for years) to the tune of £120,000,000 and rising.
Seeing the costs involved Mr Cameron had a rethink later. Some piece meal deal will have to be reached otherwise it will cost us all serious money. Money better spent on hospitals or indeed on some of the facilities the nation is losing right right now across the board.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 February 2011
10:1992267strange that the reds failed to vote, they were making a lot of noise prior to yesterday.
maybe as paulb says that there is little chance of escaping the prisoners right to vote.
dave likes his sabre rattling on the issue, let's see what he actually does.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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11 February 2011
10:3492272Better then to kick the ECHR into touch, quit it and stop their meddling once and for all.
If this issue results in a confrontation with them then so be it.
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11 February 2011
11:1192280Here on this link is a list of all the MPs and how they voted, or did not.
Well done Charlie for voting yes to keep the ban.
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/parliament/2011/02/a-full-breakdown-of-how-all-mps-votd-on-votes-for-prisoners.htmlBrian Dixon- Location: Dover
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11 February 2011
12:4792291dave cameron will do the honrable thing and a u-turn,yet again.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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11 February 2011
12:5492294No - Brian he will not and can't.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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11 February 2011
13:1392295barry,lets look at the options shall we,
a,give prisnors the vote and be done with it.
b,pay compensation which we cant afford.
c,pay the fine which we cant afford.
d,pay fine and compensation which we defintly cant afford.
so i would option a because its the cheapest by far.
which one would you choose,seeing that the countrys broke according to the tory party spin.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 February 2011
13:1992297how about option e) brian?
keep the present situation and refuse to pay any fines/compensation.
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11 February 2011
13:4392301And, Howard - quit the ECHR... it is now utterly worthless.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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12 February 2011
06:5292363howard,heres option f,goverment to do a u-turn.
this country is broke enough with adding more debt,so were told.
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12 February 2011
08:1992366Exactly Brian - so option "e" with quitting the ECHR is the best one. Simples !
Why do you keep insisting the Country isn't broke, why call it Tory spin ? Even prisoners know the country has no money left; even your beloved Labour government left a note saying "sorry there's no money left, we've spent it all"
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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12 February 2011
15:1892398roger,are you feeling alright,i did say that the country is broke im not insisting any thing differant.
a u-turn is needed on this one,but as to leaving the echr would be a bad move.
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12 February 2011
18:2392407Brian, on your post number 14, you said "seeing that the countrys broke according to the tory party spin".
To me that says that you believe it is only the Tory party that's saying the Country is broke.
Roger