Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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And we know who will raise the issue.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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both sides play dirty jan, the stuff that comes through the letterbox and the bad mouthing on the doorstep each time gets steadily worse.
the disinformation in the election addresses is laughable at times, they work on the idea that most people do not follow local issues.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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I have kept out of this as I know some people that know Bob,and what I think personally is down to me. I will not attack any Cllr personally but know what I feel.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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john
a little diffrerent to what you told me
but ok thays fine
i also know bob its not about the individual its about the comments made
and the lack of action taken by the local party.
it has given ammunition to people such as mr eddy not my number 1 geezer
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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The media are loving this, first item on the local news at the moment with Labour's Cowan now hogging the limelight.
This tosh was considered more important than wasted drugs, what strange perception of important news.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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jan;
and its all the local tories fault
giving others the ammunition
i did say had the tories acted swiftly this will all be done and dusted
instead this will go on and on
im sure in time it will result in a bye election due to all the pressures
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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No Keith, it is the media fault for making a big issue out of what is now a non story a brief comment would have been more than enough.
Very few non labour people outside of Deal have any real interest and the local BBC news covers all of Kent and part of Sussex.
Our socity is on the rocks again
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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keith raised this issue and started a thread 24 hours ago, since then we have read that it is a non issue 27 times.
seems that the media have got it right.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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jan;
i hope our society can be one where we can disagree lol
on the issue at hand prior to this all blowing up and the 2 tories saying there is no place in the tory party for such comments
and then doing a u turn and taking little action
they are being seen as being happy to allow these comments to remain,
although im sure many political parties will use this against the tories
the tories themselves could have solved this
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I've just read the article from this is Kent, which Howard psted.
It mentions a phrase used by Councillor Bob Frost, which included the words jungle bunnies.
It explains that Bob didn't mean at the time to refer to anyone in an offensive way, and thought that the word bunny meant something cudly.
The article says that Bob was severely repremanded, which I find quite surprising, not that it's any of my business though.
I'm still not sure what he was repremanded for. The article says he deleted the comment, and also the explanation, so it could mean just about anything.
May-be Keith could explain?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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alexander;
not being member of the tory party(nor would i ever be lol
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i do not know why the local tories have decided to take little action.
i presume the decision to suspend bob till nov (which has no effect whatso ever)
and a severe reprimand, is saying they understand mr frost in the first instance made the comment thus causing the offence, and i still believe he did this knowingly, going by past maverick comments he has made.
he then took them down once he knew he had offended even 2 of his own p;arty members.
trying to think of justifying the comments after was just bad taste, and didn't realy help, the only good part was that bob had the sense to remove the comments.
that said he should never have made them in the first place.
its realy up to local tories to explain how they justify bob';s remaining in light of action taken in other places.
sadly the local torie have played right into people like mike eddy's hands
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Buck up, Bob. "Don't let the 'blighters' grind you down."
[As the famous watch legend just about had it.]
I wonder, now that he has a little time on his hands, whether he is Manchester bound?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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heres a few questions/thoughts
1; wonder how many closet conservatives there are on the forum
maybe the winner could get a pickled egg from blakes lol
2; strange that a decision by the conservative leader of the council has run roughshod over the dep leader and mr elliott both whom claimed there is no room
for these type of comments in our society.
3; maybe our conservative M.P. has a viewpoint on this latest decision by his
local party, the decision may well affect his chances of holding on to the
seat he fought so hard to gain.
4; The only people that appear to have come out of this with any dignity is
mr elliot and sue chandler(dep leader )
5; wonder if any other local tries want to stand up and be counted?
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Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Some genuine questions here, if he was thrown out of the Blue camp, would it force a bye election? if it did would a defeat for the Blues alter the balance of power? or could he continues as a Independent?
Audere est facere.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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hooe my questions are genuine martin
i wont hold my breath in -geting any replies;
to answer your questions;
had the local tories thrown bob out it would force a bye election, but would have sent a clear message.
and im sure in time with the pressure bob would have msade the decision to stand down.
once elected by no matter what party, you then have little control, as that individual stands until the next election.
the party can withdraw support but has little effect.
the only thing that can happen is people power.
whilst i was on council a cllr moved up north but carried on representing a dover ward only by public pressure did he resign.? no it wont, but north deal is a very very marginal seat, and the tories would be unlikely to hold the seat.
thats more probable as to why the latest decision was made.
as to could bob continue as an indy, yes he could, but that would be a very uncomfatable ride up to the election so far away.
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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alex,the words jungle and bunnies were not in the same sentance,or at the worst joind together in the same sentance.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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brian;
i think we are well past that point, even bob accepted he probably offended people and removed the posts the same day they went up.
bob was clear on this and other comments in the past that he is a very controversial figure, and sadly these latest comments in part have been costly to him.
but then you make thiese comments knowing that many people read them
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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kieth,just correcting alexs post.nither word was connected in a sentance,ok.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Thanks for the replies Keith.
Audere est facere.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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thanks brian
martin always try to help
there may be other views of course
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