Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#2
a good common sense article the only problem is that tax credits are being slashed so there will be less money paid out by tax payers, not much help to the low paid.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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#3
But should multi national compainies be making billions in profit whilst paying its workers a very minimum wage
an interesting thought,,,,,,,
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Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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#4
Too late. We are sunk. This year is the year that things will go from bad to even badder and then badder still.
Tinkering around with oddball ideas, especially ones like the one in the link, just highlights how desperate things are getting. It's rather like We're on a submarine and the crew are desperately plugging holes in the hull with wooden wedges.
If you think that this, or any other administration, have any idea of digging us out of this mess then I'm sorry but You're in for a major disappointment.
There's a much heralded vote coming up this week which only serves to highlight the fact that neither party have our best interests at heart - Nero, Rome, fiddle?
Not only that how can anyone trust a Government who deliberately squander OUR money and give it away to other countries in the name of a scientific myth?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/9844140/Foreign-firms-100bn-wind-farm-subsidies.html
Let the piece show everyone all they need to know about where the UK is fast heading. Downwards.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#5
One of the most ignorant and stupid articles I have ever read.
That is how to boost unemployment, send small businesses to the wall and increase our living costs. It is also something that can only be written by someone who has never employed anyone or run a business.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#6
well barry,you wonder why so many brits wont take jobs on minimum wage,and thats why eastern europeans are happy to take these jobs.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#7
If they were not paid too much in benefits then they would have to pull their socks up. Benefits are the problem not the solution.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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I'm always amazed that such juvenile nonsense gets published, even more that people agree with it.
Lets take his point to its logical conclusion, why not raise the min wage to £12, or even a nice round figure £20. All cleaners and bar staff now get £800 pw, but hang on that means that the cleaner's supervisor will want £900pw and the bar manager £1000pw.
And so on and so on..........
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#9
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need", sound familiar?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#10
raising the minimum wage to a level where hand outs are not needed is good economic sense, even boris johnson is campaigning for a rise.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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I'm sorry Howard its not good sense at all, it would just cause unemployment to rise.
Peter will give you an example of what happened to him previously
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#12
It is economic nonsense Howard.
I know lots of small business people who have to pay their employees before taking any income for themselves. Many of them earn less than their employees on the minimum wage while taking the risks and working a lot longer hours. You would drive them out of business completely leaving them and their employees on benefits.
It would be more appropriate, as I have suggested many times, to raise the nil rate bands for tax an NI to match the gross income of someone working a 37 hour week at the minimum wage level.
As part of an overall tax simplification and reduction exercise of course.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#13
Correct Barry
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#14
the same thing was said when the minimum wage came in barry, total nonsense it turned out. the level playing field drove cowboy security firms and the like out of business and left the way open for companies to compete for contracts on a fair basis.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#15
Howard if what you are saying is correct why not raise it to £10ph?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#16
Howard - no, thankfully it was set at a low level so the worse predictions did not come true. The danger comes from increasing it.
I am not speculating here - I have detailed knowledge of a lot of businesses. Try answering David's point on differentials and what about my point about the pressures on small businesses?
I repeat also from previous discussions - if we really want to help both the low paid and the unemployed then a minimum wage should be done away all together as it sets a standard pay in a number of occupations eliminating wage competition. This locks people into a low wage. But that is another argument. Increasing it would be insane.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#17
i tend to agree with howard on this matter.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#18
Have you an answer to the points made then Brian so you can present a reasoned case?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#19
quite possably barry,but a well thought out prosses wold be a better solution.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#20
Barry, your policy of doing away with the minimum wage and - as noted elsewhere - doing away with benefits, would lead to something way beyond pauperism: to mutual assured destruction of British Society (MAD).
