howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Cabinet Minister,first secretary to Treasury says.......``People who `avoid paying tax`are no better than benefit cheats``
Our resident right winger `hates`benefit cheats..................prepare for gobbledegook...........
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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'Resident right winger' thank you for the compliment but its not necessary as I am not alone.
To you everything that you do not understand is clearly gobbledegook. Perhaps you should look first to your endless outpourings of incomprehensible full stops and selective heavily edited copied part-sentences and self-righteous sentiments.
Incidentally, I am pleased and proud to report that yesterday I was able to help a lady of 68 to save over £500 in tax by changing the way she invested her rather modest savings. Yes, I am pleased to help all sorts of people to stop paying more tax than they have to, though that is not my main role.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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do you have jimmy carr on your books barry?
if so let me know when his next appointment is so that i can lie in wait?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Sadly not Howard.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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At PMQ`s minutes ago William Hague confirmed the government intention and committment to stop all ``Tax
Avoidance``by law pointing out the main offenders.
Your gobbledegook and camouflarge for your activities is always some elderly person you have helped to save a few pounds.
Good luck to the lady itemised `this time`but you yet again you again avoid the core of the problem``Tax
Avoidance``causes by `advertising`your ``Philanthropic `` work.........
# 5.....is indicative of your claimed `Philanthropy`
Q..who else is a right winger,surely you don`t mean Roger ?
Guest 739- Registered: 16 Jan 2012
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But he's only exploiting a legal loophole isn't he? It's not breaking the law. It's not much different to someone like Jensen Button moving his main residence to Monaco. There's a big difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion.
I think we are all guinea pigs in the middle of an experiment for which they have forgotten to set up a control group!
Guest 739- Registered: 16 Jan 2012
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Didn't see Reg's post there. When I said "he" I meant Jimmy Carr, not Barry. Though I have to say I have no idea what Reg is on about. I'm apolitical in that I can't stand any of them but a government at one time introduced these schemes. It seems a bit churlish to now say that people who use them are worse than benefit cheats.
I think we are all guinea pigs in the middle of an experiment for which they have forgotten to set up a control group!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The only gobbledegook is yours Reg, sanctimonious gobbledegook at that. 'My activities' as you describe them are in a heavily regulated business in which I have a duty of care to my clients and I would be serious trouble from the FSA if I did not make all necessary recommendations to ensure my clients do not pay unnecessary tax. Young and old, I not only save them tax I make sure their money is invested well.
Hands up anyone who would not reorganise your affairs to save yourself some tax and keep a bit more of your own hard-earned money for yourself... Anyone who puts their hands up is lying.
Brian Dixon
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and that depends how far right wing you are,but saying that tax is tax and needs paying what ever the price.as tesco's would say every little helps and we are aall in it together.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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it was dave that said the last part brian, sorry to be pedantic.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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thats ok howard,just cobbled the phrases together.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Tax avoidance means, amongst other things, investing in an Isa or a private pension.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the prime minister has described jimmy carr's scheme as immoral.
i reckon that he is only saying as he dislikes him as much as i do.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Most footballers and pop stars do the same.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I thought I knew the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion but it seems it can be a very grey area. For example in Howard's link above it says that Jimmy Carr puts away 3.3 million every year through the K2 tax scheme which apparantly is used by 1100 tax avoiders. Surely this is tax evasion, you cant really compare it to the usual ways like an Isa or a private pension etc. Its streching it too far
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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It is legal and that makes it avoidance not evasion and so is on the same technical level as ISAs, pensions and other common and straightforward tax mitigation measures used by most of us.
Osborne did brand some forms of avoidance as 'extreme' (a new expression he conveniently coined) and has brought in (or is bringing in) a general avoidance rule that may deal with 'extreme avoidance'. I have no problem about tackling 'extreme' schemes adopted by some of the very wealthy simply because they are breaking the age-old rule, described by a technical expression - taking the p***. But there is a risk that ordinary people may get caught up with the general avoidance rule. I am already alerted to certain question marks that may apply to some perfectly reasonable and accepted measures available to most people reading this in arranging their financial affairs.
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Yes Barry, I see where you're coming from...... food for thought.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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"Very dodgy tax avoidance schemes" and "repugnent" words from DC on tv.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Jan Higgins
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- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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I find it unfair that only celebrities are being named what about the top bosses doing the same thing. Instead of complaining the government and HMRC should close the avoidance tax loopholes.
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