Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Barry, fighting against all odds again!
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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BarryW.
That's the problem I have with you, I do read your post's properly, again and again again again and again because you come back with virtually the same answer every time , only ever picking up on your points, not mine.
So you are either not reading my post's or ignoring them, either way you are being very disrespectful.
I am not going to join the "Oh its only BarryW, ignore what he say's" brigade because that makes the situation worse.
As I have said before, I think you have a problem that you need to deal with.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You, Gary, have the problem.
If I repeat some of the same things then it is because the truth needs repeating against the often repeated rubbish spouted by such as the deficit deniers. It seems people need reminding of the economic realities of life.
Brian Dixon
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barryw,in your dreams,try some realalaty for a change.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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cannot deny the deficit barry, we see the goverment making it bigger by the day.
whatever happened to getting rid of it by 2015?
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Testify, Howard, TESTIFY!!
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You are absolutely right Howard - they are missing target by about a year and that is why I have been saying now since Osborne's first budget that he needs to cut more. This is even more important given the Eurozone problems.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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More cuts?................where?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Everywhere - of course Reg the only thing I would not cut was the one that was starved of cash under your lot, defence. Now whenever challenged about where your lot would cut there is never an answer just more ludicrous proposals for more spending......
Keith Sansum1
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we have a problem
the way to resolve it(if barryw is correct) now that clearly the private sector will not be producing the promised jobs) is to throw anyone in public service on the dole.
4 million unemployed would be unthinkable to most of us
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith be sensible. What specifically would you cuts to help deal with the deficit? After all even Darling said cuts would have to be made but has not specified what? So what would you do?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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i think every forumite has agreed we need to make cuts, at what level, and how much is where the disagreements come in.
there is of course also the disagreement on how others are seen in society
the not private geezers
like bankers who have failed the electorate but still getting millions in pay or pay offs
others still in employment getting millions whilst the rest of us bleed to death by the slow cuts the worst way ever.
to be slung on the scrap heap with no hope of revival for generations is not a good move
we only have to look back at the riots such as toxteth etc to see the warning signals were there then, we are fast approaching this again, and it looks like the tories have not learnt any lessons
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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if i can add to keith's comments, it is not just about cuts.
awarding a massive contract to an overseas company instead of bonbadier was economic suicide.
the e.u. have given the government the green light to reopen the bidding, not a peep from them though.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Remind you of anyone?
"Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?"
The clerk, in letting Scrooge's nephew out, had let two other people in. They were portly gentlemen, pleasant to behold, and now stood, with their hats off, in Scrooge's office. They had books and papers in their hands, and bowed to him.
'Scrooge and Marley's, I believe,' said one of the gentlemen, referring to his list. 'Have I the pleasure of addressing Mr Scrooge, or Mr Marley?'
'Mr Marley has been dead these seven years,' Scrooge replied. 'He died seven years ago, this very night.'
'We have no doubt his liberality is well represented by his surviving partner,' said the gentleman, presenting his credentials.
'It certainly was, for they had been two kindred spirits. At the ominous word liberality, Scrooge frowned, and shook his head, and handed the credentials back.
'They are. Still,' returned the gentleman,' I wish I could say they were not.'
'The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?' said Scrooge.
'At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge,' said the gentleman, taking up a pen, 'it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.'
'Are there no prisons?"
'Plenty of prisons,' said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.
'And the Union workhouses.' demanded Scrooge. 'Are they still in operation?'
'Both very busy, sir.'
'Oh. I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,' said Scrooge. 'I'm very glad to hear it.'
'Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,' returned the gentleman, 'a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?'
'Nothing!' Scrooge replied.
'You wish to be anonymous?'
'I wish to be left alone,' said Scrooge. 'Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don't make merry myself at Christmas and I can't afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned-they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.'
'Many can't go there; and many would rather die.'
'If they would rather die,' said Scrooge, 'they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
---from A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens
Audere est facere.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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howard;
yep the govt on bombardier given the opportunity to look at it again
no such move so the workforce that could have been saved by the conservative led govt did nothing sio they were sold down the river. a tragic event.
so much more that could have been done
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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loved that bit about prisons and workhouses.
best that barry does not read it he will be sending a motion to conference about it.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Plugging the loopholes allowing £billions to be squirrelled away to foreign lands would be a start.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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A poser for Peter from yesterday's Guardian Quiz and having nothing to do with Barry's current Blog (Oh no! misses, no!)
"A spectre is haunting Europe"
Is the first line of what?
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Tom.
Thats an easy one but I will leave it to Peter to answer.
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