howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#1
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#2
Makes a mockery of Paul's post with regard changing Dovers demographic! i might be wrong (i'm not) but that is an invite for more of the same.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#3
That or they just don't like you Howard
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#4
I shall be contacting my 3 ward councillors and am sure they will be as outraged as I am, however DDC do not listen to the public on planning matters. Over 350 written objections to the demolition of the Prince of Wales pier, about 10 in favour and we all know the result.
TheThinWhiteDuke- Registered: 7 Jul 2016
- Posts: 365
#5
Big difference between a flat and a bedsit but your point still stands.
I'm sure it's nothing personal towards your area howard.
More bedsits and "flats" for everywhere, given the woefully inadequate levels of house building in this country.
Barton Road & Buckland Avenue and their many offshoots/Beaconsfield (both Road and Avenue)/Frith Road/Avenue Road/Salisbury Road/Castle Avenue/Park Avenue/Charlton Green/Maison Dieu Road.... started typing and I'm not sure where to stop. All becoming increasingly multiple occupancy/bedsit areas (and many were going that way before Folkestone Road went tbf).
Many of these houses are obviously way too large for just one family on a normal income these days. Vicky Park probably succumbed to the same market pressures before I was born, and I'm sure some of us look at the many pieces of Edwardian architectural madness that litter The Leas of Folkestone and just think "Wow, their servants and even their horses had a bigger place to live in than I do".
I wonder where people are going to park, given that it's becoming rarer to live within walking/cycling distance from your workplace these days? I do hope they've considered the parking angle for the proposed old Charlton Green Post Office Sorting Office conversion. We're all going to end up on mopeds at this rate. Which won't be pleasant as we ain't got India's climate for that kind of transport policy by a long way. Or are we expected to start commuting by jumping onto train roofs? Mopeds and cars are cheaper than a season ticket.
What is the percentage of MPs (and maybe local councillors, I don't know) who are also landlords/have large property portfolios? It's quite large isn't it? Don't expect anything to change soon!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#6
The application states that there will be 6 studio flats i.e bedsits and 3 maisonettes which means 18 wheelie bins cluttering the pavement. No other road in town has the same problems as the stretch from the station to Belgrave Road. I seem to remember the old Post Office development made provision for off street parking unlike this one.
Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,321
#7
"Do it" car stickers were once popular, you know, "Young Farmers Do It In Wellies" etc.
One that was very true was "Town Planners Do It with Their Eyes Shut". Unfortunately it's very accurate.
Terry
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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#8
91 is the one with the white door.
This is where the 18 bins will have to go!!
Guest 1391- Registered: 1 Nov 2014
- Posts: 199
#9
Please look at who the applicant is, DDC, not a disinterested private landlord. Will I think be using it for much needed accommodation and if DDC is landlord in their interest to ensure well managed.
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Judith Roberts- Registered: 15 May 2012
- Posts: 637
#10
I find it even more disturbing that DDC is the applicant since approval would set a precedent for similar houses, privately owned, to be divided into multiple bedsits.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#11
Post 9 leaves me with a sense of foreboding. the establishment closes ranks and we all know that DDC refuse to have a landlords register in line with more enlightened with accusations that council members rent out properties not disclosed on their register of interests.
We were told that when 91 and 93(pictured and boarded up) were purchased at auction after our favourite slum landlord was declared bankrupt that they would be refurbished for family accommodation.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#12
I had already noticed that DDC were the owner so I assumed it was virtually a done deal and not really worth the effort of commenting.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
#13
For info:- Sold for £130,000 public auction at The Clive Emson Conference Centre : 15-dec-2014
Lot number : 28
(Present Zoopla Estimate £426,000)
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Judith Roberts- Registered: 15 May 2012
- Posts: 637
#14
Zoopla estimate optimistic to say the least!
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
#15
DDC purchased 3 properties in the area at auction . They already had a chequered history. These properties, already houses that have been used as multi occupancy accommodation are to be converted to ensure proper standards are applied & will be let to people on the housing waiting list. Better DDC do it than other types of landlord.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
#16
I agree Mr Watkins ,I done a very long post all about this two nights ago but I took it down after I had a rethink.
The standards you talk about Mr Watkins I am sorry to say are not being done in some rds in Dover like the Folkestone Rd ,you only have to walk up there and see some not all but some the standards are not being done. And as I have said many times before that we could see the Dover Collage move out from there if the standards you talk about are not keep in place by the D,D,C.
I know that the council do not make the mess etc but on saying that it is only the council that can act and stand up to the bad landlords that own the flats etc.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#17
This move by DDC is vey good,at least they as Land Lords will have control.I would hope our cleansing dept will continue to remove un wanted rubbish,and the Community team try to liaise with the residents who cause the problems.
As for Dover College I have read their forward plan for the next five years very interesting plans .I was invited to a meeting and tour of the college but I'm well acquainted with the College.The College had very good results this year and the current Headmaster has drive and ambition .Please think positively There are lots of improvements being made in Dovef
What a Council finds hard is to change some peoples negativity.
Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
- Posts: 381
#18
Absolutely incredibe that DDC are spinning this as a good idea! Sky News did a very good piece on the social damage and driving up of rents that councils and housing associations are inflicting on neighbourhoods by these awful and inadequate multi occupancy accommodations. The National Housing Federation are lobbying central government to legislate against this terrible practice.
Jack of Hearts
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
#19
Of course it's a good Idea Local Councils will have to ensure the flats are built to a correct standard.The rents will be set to the correct levelWith the RTB Council Housing stock is decreasing here is a way for old buildings to be brought up to scratch and for someone desperate for housing to have a roof over their head .When I was on the council with responsibility for housing getting funding was problematic.Here we have a success story don't knock it.I only wish it could have been in my time on th Council.I did oversee some older properties modernised bur funds were restricted
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#20
Now we are getting to the bottom of it the planning application shows 3 houses being converted into 6 bedsits and 3 maisonettes with provisions for parking spaces and a store for bins.
https://planning.dover.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=consulteeComments&keyVal=DCAPR_229935
