Messing about with the river
- 5 November 2012 12:07199556fencing All over the place but no indication why or who is responsible.
- 5 November 2012 12:35199560Not written in stone tablets this, and there is a problem with secrecy and transparency
what is new!
I spoke to some chaps, in the high vis yellow jackets, who said, " they were doing, as they were told, but did not know Dover that well".
River Dour Greenway Cycle Path, New Bridge by the Kent College. Widening the pathway into a part of the River, which floods - ie. no hospital can be built there, because of flooding blah blah.
The Cycle Path would be much more effective and less impact on the River, on the otherside down from Bridge to Bridge and onwards by the College. Ofcourse the proposed cycle path comes to a grinding halt at Maison Dieu/Pencester. Also, tarmacing of the Red Brick Path, such a huge cost in its time, along the river in Pencester itself...
I have huge concerns, and you can all laugh in your coats at this, regarding the wonderful Willow Trees, These trees should have a preservation order on them, because these Willows absorb all flood water, and should be made a feature of the river.
Not felled.
There is a muttering of a £500.000.00 grant to enable this short and perculiar cycle way, causing such disruption for such a small gain. This has to be taken up by March 2013.
Ofcourse, this river and surrounds have been neglected and down-trodden. That is in keeping with the policies of the
Masters of Dover. This idea is on par with the Band Stand, wrong place, underused, massive expence of our money, again.
Also the Moses Tablets around the band stand, again huge expense, which are ignored.
All cycles can get to where they want to go, by the roads provided, and leave our walkways alone.
These Willow Trees and the rest, have to be saved.
- 5 November 2012 12:48199562Presumably this:
http://www.spokeseastkent.org.uk/future-routes/Dover--River-Dour/leaflet/Consultation-leaflet-Dour-final.pdfBeen nice knowing you :) - 5 November 2012 12:56199565For some reason the people who have built the cycle ways forgot to draw lines on the paths delineating where the cycle ways begin and end. I had plod shouting at me the other day from the luxury of his car telling me "Oi Oil give yer a ticket" for quite legally cycling along the pavement. I can understand his confusion though but not his unprofessional attitude.
Perhaps the cost of paint has risen unexpectedly. - 5 November 2012 13:17199569more about the bridge, forgot to put this up earlier.
- 5 November 2012 14:10199573On the subject of the River Dour and its path.
I notice that on Lorne Road a development has started which looks like it has permanently blocked off any likelihood of a riverside path between Lorne Road and Cherry Tree Avenue (at least on that bank of the river).
Is it really worth still signing the river walk if no effort is made to join the sections up when the opportunity arises?
Another example is the old London Fancy Box site where at least a path was partially built, but with no public access! There is a chance this path could be opened up and extended into the car park behind Halfords. I'm sure that not many people there know that the weir even exists.
Also the new information board at the Beaconsfield end of Barton Path has been vandalised with marker pen. Whose responsibility is it for the upkeep of this sign? - 5 November 2012 14:38199576This area should not be a quasi-cycle path, people sit and watch the Bowling along there. It is bad enough going down the under-pass, with cycles roaring at you, even tho' they are supposed to dismount.
Try the sea-front too, and along the pier.
As #6 has pointed out and observed, it is bits here and bits there. Cycles are dangerous and our walk ways should be left clear and unencumbered. Especially, where there is flooding involved too.
I notice the planning notice is only regarding the Bridge, have "they" found a "DODGE" so the rest of it can slide in, without being noticed
If anyone is up for saving and preserving these beautiful trees, etc. etc. please e-mail me.
Thank you - 7 November 2012 14:16200095http://planning.dover.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=DCAPR_220374
Planning application is online here with plans, one interesting comment deposited yesterday showing the bridge doesn't meet required design standards, the plan also shows the trees that are to be removed. - 7 November 2012 18:21200149If people send in complaints or objections, then the application will come before the planning committee for them to discuss and decide.
If no objctions, it will be decided by the officers under delegated powers.
Roger - 7 November 2012 19:21200165There is no need to removed these beautiful trees. They could be made a feature of this river, which is going to be narrowed, in the middle of a flood plain. for heavens sake.
I just hope people with a bit of clout, get behind, and stop this crazy plan.
It is the grant of £500.000.00 and the slimey fact, that KCC who is behind the pathway, does not need planning permission. To construct a cycle path, that leads to no-where.
So, only the Bridge is being discussed anyway. - 7 November 2012 19:47200176Christine - this has been a plan for several years now so it is a bit late for anyone to 'campaign' nowBeen nice knowing you :)
- 7 November 2012 20:15200194"Christine - this has been a plan for several years now so it is a bit late for anyone to 'campaign' now"
So has the hospital/burlington house/St. James development (30 years), one of the original bomb sites in the UK, should be made into a tourist feature of significance/oh golly there is so much. Water fountains, communual/community gardens, a Roman house looking like a slum.so on, and so on.
#11 are you saying it is in the bag then, and no point in doing anything I find the remark of 'campaign' or a bit late rather uvuncular and there/there deah, take your madness elsewhere.
Please not Dover. You cannot beat the masters
I guess, trees, especially, water loving and beautiful willows, not the most important factor in the grand scheme of a cycle path, which is leading nowhere. But will have a £500.000.00 grant, there are other alternatives, and this money could have better uses.
However, without trees, and the balance of nature, you would be in the shittt. - 7 November 2012 20:19200201Just think the period of consultancy when the first plans were agreed has passed - I could be proved wrong, just trying to find some detailsBeen nice knowing you :)
- 7 November 2012 20:22200202This is as far back as I can find at the moment: December 2010
http://www.dover.uk.com/forums/dover-forum/work-is-due-to-begin-in-dover-shortly
Been nice knowing you :) - 7 November 2012 20:24200204However I am struggling to connect the cycle path with the photos - looks more like this to me:
River Dour management plan to reduce flood risk in Dover
27-Sep-2012
The Environment Agency will soon be carrying out new maintenance activities to improve the River Dour and help reduce the risk of flooding in the Dover area.
Yhis year's work will be the first of what will become an annual programme of maintenance work, the Dour Management Plan, which was developed after a number of studies and investigations into the river. The plan sets out a sustainable maintenance programme which ensures that water flows freely through the channel, reducing the flood risk to people and properties without affecting the wildlife in and around the river.
The River Dour is fed by groundwater and responds very quickly to rainfall. To help high river flows and surface water escape quickly and avoid flooding properties, it is important that the river has as few obstructions as possible. The scheduled maintenance activities will include: reducing vegetation within the channel; cutting back overhanging tree branches and removing vegetation growth from buildings, walls, and foundations along the channel; and removing or reducing the size of the man made islands where necessary.
Ian Nunn, Environment Agency Operations Manager, said: "We are pleased to be able to carry out this important work on the River Dour which will help reduce flood risk in the area.
"Riverside landowners and other local residents can help us to keep flood risk as low as possible by ensuring you dispose of your garden waste responsibly and keeping banks clear - anything on them could be carried off by high flows and block the channel, culverts or bridges, causing flooding to properties.
"You can report any blockages in the river using our incident management helpline 0800 807060 and please remember that if you are thinking about developing the land next to the river, you'll need to contact the Environment Agency to request consent."
The work begins on Monday 8 October and is expected to be completed within five weeks.
For more information on the rights and responsibilities of riverside landowners, take a look at our Living on the Edge publication:
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/31626.aspx.Been nice knowing you :) - 7 November 2012 20:45200205RiverDour Greenway has been around for several years - True
This option went out for consultation February, this year only, and with no indication of any tree felling along the river.
Details were not released to general public, until very recently. Planning only just gone in for the bridge, and none of the remainder of the route.
There is a degree of cover here, very similar to the demolition of Brook House at 4am in the morning
Re. #9 from Councillor Walken / May I ask, how any people need to object before it goes out of the hands of the Officers for a decision? Thus onto the Councillor committee?
Thank you. - 7 November 2012 20:47200207actually there was an exhibition in the library detailing the plans a few years back ms worsley.
nothing sprung on us. - 7 November 2012 21:04200209Application Received Date Tue 02 Oct 2012
Application Validated Date Tue 30 Oct 2012
Expiry Date Tue 25 Dec 2012
Neighbour Consultation Expiry Date Mon 03 Dec 2012
Standard Consultation Expiry Date Mon 03 Dec 2012
Last Advertised In Press Date Fri 09 Nov 2012
Latest Advertisement Expiry Date Mon 03 Dec 2012
Last Site Notice Posted Date Fri 30 Nov 2012
Latest Site Notice Expiry Date Mon 03 Dec 2012
Target Determination Date Tue 25 Dec 2012
Determination Deadline Tue 25 Dec 2012Been nice knowing you :) - 7 November 2012 21:09200210It would have been hard to have a discussion on this several years ago as this option was not agreed until the end of last year, alternatives were to take the route down past Boots and through the the main shopping area.
This is the consultation output from the consultation on this route (not the detail on felling trees) which ended in March this year.
http://www.dover.gov.uk/councillors/council_meetings/update/docs/agendadoverjoint070612.pdf
It is only just being decided on which trees need to be felled and details are not being released as DDC & KCC don't want the route to go through planning where people can have a say.
I am very impressed with the support the cycle path/destruction of beautiful trees/sidelining and narrowing of the River Dour within a known and recognised flood plain/ by people not connected with Dover at all: is getting on here. - Ross Miller
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7 November 2012 21:20200211There is a need for a coherent policy on cycle routes/paths within Dover delivering a joined up cycle way allowing cyclists to get from one end of town to the other avoiding the nightmare that is York St, Priory Road, High St, London Rd, Buckland Ave, Barton Rd, Frith Rd, Maison Dieu Rd, Woolcomber St & Townwall St.
If this was properly set up and advertised and policed we could then clamp down on the numpties that cycle on the pavements on the above mentioned roads (and others)
I do however share your concern over the proposed felling of trees - especially the willows by K college"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
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