howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 February 2011
17:1891835the kent branch of the "protection or rural england" group have come up with a radical solution to deal with operation stack.
they say that land could be reclaimed from the sea and house up to 6000 trucks.
they add that this could form part of the development on the proposed terminal 2.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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7 February 2011
17:4691850To my mind that sounds the best solution. There is no corner here in rural England that wants a bloody great truck park next to it. The NIMBYs will win if anyone tries to foister an ugly beast like that on anyones village doorstep.
I saw them reclaiming land here in the harbour. The area behind piers Dover8 and Dover9 was sea until a few years ago. Twas a big job though and probably an expensive one. However it would be a good solution. Although people get very excited and animated when anything is put in the sea too as they do on land, look at the hoohaa about windfarms at sea, so it would have to be gently but forcibly handled.
It was amazing to watch how the reclamation was done. Like they say...hard work fascinates me I could watch it all day!! They first but an iron wall into the designated area of sea. Then they proceeded to pump the water out one side while filling it with something like liquid sand the other end. Eventually all the water was gone and the area was solid...looked an expensive process. I think if I remember right that the job was carried out by a Dutch company.
Brian Dixon
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7 February 2011
17:5391854howard where would this reclaimed land be do you know,just hope its not shacky beach.
Guest 676- Registered: 1 Jul 2008
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7 February 2011
18:1591865A few years ago DHB talked about moving the marina to the inner harbour so that they could fill in the Wellington Dock to form a lorry park, as part of the T2. I have no doubt that Vic will know all about this, he seems to know everything DHB related.
Million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 February 2011
18:1891866i don't think there would be an outcry about this, it would hardly be an eyesore like wind farms.
interesting that a dutch company did the reclamation work, they have been doing that for centuries in their own country.
the main sticking point for me is that terminal 2 is not a definite yet, some solution is needed soon.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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7 February 2011
18:3591871They lost a good opportunity when they built Samphire Hoe !!
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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7 February 2011
20:0991884paul,not on my patch.we have enough of them when they are moving or not.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 February 2011
22:0591893the thought of the beautiful samphire hoe being used as a lorry park fills me with revulsion.
such a pity there is no access for non car people.
Jan Higgins
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7 February 2011
22:2291894In this day and age those of us who use our feet and have no access to a car do not count.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 February 2011
22:3391896agreed jan, just 4 round trips a day during summer would allow many more people to enjoy this wonderful facility.
buses run to aycliffe, maybe an extension on some would be profitable?
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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7 February 2011
22:4191898I have only been there once when my daughter took me on a cold windy day as a result I have not seen its beauty. As far as I am concerned it might as well be a lorry park.
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Guest 676- Registered: 1 Jul 2008
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7 February 2011
22:4991900Howard/Jan
It is possible to walk to Samphire Hoe. Follow National Cycle Route 2 to the top of the tunnel, there is then a footway through the said tunnel.
Million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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7 February 2011
22:5391901Being partialy disabled I am unable to walk anywhere near that distance.
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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8 February 2011
07:2191904Can you imagine the horrendous eyesore it would be to see 6000 trucks parked at Samphire Hoe. Strolling along the clifftop and woe..crikey! Apart from the visual, the smell on a hot summers day would be rancid.
As it is nature plays a lovely part down there, a lovely addition to the area. I havent been there all that much myself but keep meaning to go down there more. Very pleasant.
There is a nice picture taken down there by Lorna on the thread....
"Channel this morning at Sunrise".
Of course you have to put the trucks somewhere. But even building out into the sea in somewhere less seen would still be a heck of a problem. But is it the best solution or even the only solution.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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8 February 2011
07:3091906Could always use the DTIZ site ..theres nothing else going on there at the moment..plus the drivers might even use the town for sarnies and coffee...
Marek
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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8 February 2011
09:0791915I was saying they missed the chance BEFORE it became the nature reserve - I imagine most people thought it an eyesore during and just after the channel tunnel works down there !!??
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Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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8 February 2011
10:3591930The answer is so simple and already a feature of motorways near Hannover in Germany, bollards rise out of the ground seperating the outer lane of the M20 from the inner lane and the trucks are the parked in the outer lane. Another feature of continental motorways is that when traffic appears to be stalling,truck drivers are obliged by law to drive only in the inner lane(leaving the exits clear)and cars use the outer lane. When it comes to traffic management,the Highways Agency and those it advises haven't a clue and are far inferior to it's European counterparts.
8 February 2011
17:1691981I hope it is not the thought to reclaim (with infill) off of Shakespeare beach. At DHB open consultation meetings I have voiced that the beach should be given better access and parking so that its full amenity value can be realised for the people of Dover. Indeed in better economic times a "cliff walkway" from Shakespeare Beach to Samphire Hoe could even be built. Whenever I have mentioned this it has received support.The beach used to be well used before restrictions around the Western Docks and I am sure some of our Dovorian Forumites may recall using the beach with their children, my wife said many a happy time on this beach in her younger days.
The reclaim as above would be very costly and I have always felt that the A20 from Roundhill Tunnel should have a third lane. In times when there is delay/congestion at Dover Docks the middle and outside lanes would be closed off for lorries leaving the inside lane for other traffic including the ability to exit and join at junctions.
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8 February 2011
17:5891985This item is covered on BBC SE this evening.
Watty
8 February 2011
19:5492004Well done Paul...good interview.
No doubt much debate to come on this issue.
I attended a meeting with CPRE last year and they were preaching that they also wanted to protect Urban areas....rather a turnaround from what they are proposing for Dover and where do they get there costings from?