Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Lies,`U`turns,ill-conceived policies,shambles......
Cameron`ensemble came to power,without a public mandate,with headline after headline,which continued, in order to give the
impression they were dynamic, forceful,decisive,but the headlines were just headlines,they fell one by one .....
charitable donations,buzzard cull to protect pheasant shoots,pasty tax,caravan tax,secret courts, Scottish referendum,joint
fighter strike,aircraft carriers,ofsted inspections,video games tax relief,disability living allowance,chief coroner,youth justice
board,NHS waiting times,coast guard centres, bbc world service,sentencing discounts,circus animals,housing benefit
cut,selling off forests, fiance inclusion fund,military covenant,school sports,domestic violence,cameron private photographer on
payroll,rape anonymity,NHS direct,free school milk,dissolution of parliament....
.now we have this ``Tory`` government who made ``hay``by cancelling school building programme.....now in panic introduce a £
three billion school building programme......
and NHS...Cameron promised not to touch NHS by one iota and to increase spending in real terms....Cameron`s own watchdog
UK Statistic Authority have told him spending on the NHS is....lower...than it was in 2010.......
now we have Ossies Autumn Statement..........
....to be continued...
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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other than that how do you think they are doing reg?
Keith Sansum1
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there is more howard
that was just the warm up
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Oh gawd - another diatribe of total tripe from the usual source...
No mandate - Cameron had a higher Conservative percentage of the vote in 2010 (36.1%) than Blair had in 2005 (35.2%). Add the LibDem votes (23%) to the coalition mandate, where on earth does that leave the 2005 Labour mandate?
A 'Tory government' no, sadly a coalition one.
If we had a Conservative one we would be shot of a lot of disastrous Labour legislation such as the Human Rights Act, we would have more action on dealing with the economic shambles left behind by Labour, we would have a much tougher line on the EU.
As attempts to point score by Reg goes - pathetic even by his low standard
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Autumn Statement .....no change we still have the Conservative Party as the Party of the Rich....Lies,spin and misinformation
to conceal their failures and lie to us the voters..... their Austerity will last until 2020.................
PS Many people on benefit are in work, not spongers,and many use food banks....only a small minority are benefit scroungers
............surely we deserve better than this ......
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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We certainly all deserve better than the wreck of an economy Labour's incontinence left us with. We could be more like Germany if your mob had not gone on a crazed spending binge, not messed around with banking regulation, and had set a sensible inflation brief for the BoE while making an already over complex tax system even worse. With that legacy given and the global background no wonder we have these problems now.
If only Osborne would start cutting public properly and stop mucking around while cutting taxes and chopping business red tape we would get out of the mess a lot quicker.
Jan Higgins
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- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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An Autumn statement that will win the Coalition even fewer friends. Those on a pittance will have to get by on even less of a pittance.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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All the experts are now analysing the ``misinformation``in the Autumn Statement but one definite statement being made is it is
all based on ``forecasts``............ and `all`of Osborne`s ``forecasts`` from before 2010 have......been wrong.......
.....we deserve better than this....
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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He is going in the right direction but just not fast enough.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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The reason there isn't any further deeper faster cutting as BarryW is calling for, as is Nigel Farage too as I heard late last night, is that George Osborne is above all...a politician. George, like his cronies around him, wants to be re-elected in 2/3 years time. Cuts above and beyond those being currently implemented would result in a chronic and unrecoverable poll rating. In other words extreme cutting would be a one way ticket to Palookaville. Palookaville in this case being the opposition benches..and for years to come.
When Gorgeous Georgeus rose to his feet yesterday..his first few words attempted to re-assure us that we were adhering to the master plan and all was on track. "To change course now would be a disaster" said George with aplomb. However the number crunchers on the BBC's Politics Today programme were none too sure. The more the speech went on the more bewildered those BBC's gurus Flanders and Peston looked.
The bad news, and there was lots of it, was that George has failed to hit his debt reduction targets. The original goal was to have the national deficit beaten by 2015 but this is now extended to 2018 which is grim news indeed. As it is only 2012 now, this indicates a long long road ahead of economic misery. Some of us will be dead before we see recovery at this rate !!?
Ah! hark back now with a sigh to those optimistic glory days of early Blairism.
Following this grim and gruelling news on the continuing austerity, team GB is now in imminent danger of losing its triple A rating on the international markets. Very bad news. We were rather patting ourselves on the back in recent times about how well we had held on to our triple A rating, while others all about us were losing theirs, but not any more. It hasn't happened as of yet..but there are grumblings so watch this space.
Searching around for a bit of good news one finds that Mr Osborne has abandoned all hope of raising fuel duty. The intended rise of 3p a litre has now been scrapped for good...not postponed but cancelled completely. The other good news is that the low earners have some more tax relief, they are allowed to earn £9440 now before the Tax Man cometh a-calling.
Benefits generally are cut, but this tax relief for those who go out to work should help the poorer paid.
Business generally should be a tad happier...with the reduction in Corporation Tax and the hugely increased tax relief on investment, and many businesses in freight etc etc will welcome the 3p fuel duty cancellation.
No sign of growth anywhere on the horizon alas, contraction is the order of the day for the immediate future.
PS: Mr Cameron was elected leader of the Conservative Party on this day in 2005
beating David Davis to the top job and coming from behind to do it.
Davis had been expected to win.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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It is the fantasy island of the 'glory days of early Blairism' that set us up for this fall. A fantasy floated on a sea of debt by Mr 'I banned boom and bust' Gordon Brown.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Everything was going along so well for a while under Labour one could almost be forgiven for thinking boom and bust had been abolished..alas, then came the fall, The fall though was right across the western world. Everyone had their hands in the borrowing cookie jar at the time.
There seems to be much grumbling among economists as to whether this statement was a good and fair one, one thing I agree with the Tories about is the need to make people who work better off than those who seriously dont( ie the professional workshy, and there are a few of those lurking in the undergrowth) so pleased to see the £9440 tax level hike as I referred to in POST 11. The LibDems will claim they did that one.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Come off it PaulB of course he could not be forgiven for that.
It would be like thinking you could stop the wind and tide. Economies always work in cycles, always have and always will. The more they go up in the upside the more they will correct downwards on the downside of the cycle.
As for it being right across the Western World - no it was not and even in those countries affected those hit worse were the ones that adopted the crazy big spending, high taxing approach Brown was famous for.
If Brown had been more sensible we would be more like Germany, Finland, Canada, New Zealand, Australia etc etc rather than Spain and Greece.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Eye read that GO, once GB's fiercest critic for fiddling the public finances, is doing some book-cooking of his own. It is said that GO has knocked £36bn or so off borrowing by nabbing from the BoE the interest earned on government bonds that the bank bought (with printed money) under the QE programme.
The bods at the Treasury have also been tasked to come up with a new name for PFI, with some hilarious results.
Any takers here?
Probable
Future
Indebtedness
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
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#13 Paully B . You are such a romantic.
It must be the misty eyes clouding your vision.
Dream on in your secluded eyrie.
Watty
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Tom - no, old news and King has already said that it is a mere accounting process and will not impact on the overall borrowing/interest figures. Nothing is being fiddled or hidden unlike Brown's Enron style off balance sheet accounting.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Millions of family's worse off...thousands more public sector workers will lose their jobs
Austerity will last until 2018 ( more like 2020 )
Economy set to shrink again this year..Osbornes figures do not add up and his forecasts are always wrong.
Yesterday it became clear how horribly astray Osbornes plans have gone wrong.. Humiliatingly the second of Osbornes two
fiscal rules,putting debt on downward path looks to be violated says Office of Budget of Responsibility.
Political strain will now increase on the Coalition government because with them it`s doom until 2016 and gloom until 2020.
With Osborne we might end up with three or four Budgets a year.They really are the Party for the rich.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Ah so, Barry...
""A cynic may be tempted to suggest that, in finding an institution willing to finance more than a quarter of its debt at a zero rate of interest, the Government has managed to shave almost a percentage point off the deficit as a proportion of GDP," said economists at Fathom Consulting. "At any rate, it leaves something of a bad taste in the mouth." "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/budget/9725492/Autumn-Statement-George-Osborne-warned-over-cash-grab.htmlIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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From Sky News:
"The Government's austerity plans involve slashing the majority of Government department budgets by a third, a leading think tank has warned."
The Chancellor has gone bezirk!
It continues:
"The Institute for Fiscal Studies said that in order to fulfil the plans laid down in the Autumn Statement the Government would have to slash the budgets of its non-protected departments - everything but health, schools and international development - by a further 16% in real terms in the three years to 2017-18, or 30% since 2010."
He is out of touch:
"The IFS said that such cuts to departmental budgets, including police, local government, defence, environment, transport were 'almost inconceivable'."!
"The think tank urged the Government to commit to doing some of the work through tax rises rather than spending cuts."
Barry, say what you will about cutting deeper and faster and reducing taxes, the top economists are all saying the opposite!
Give up! The Chancellor has lost, the masses will not vote them in again.
The Government has lost the backing of the economists, not just this particular think tank (IFS), but of all the officially acknowledged leading economists, including the IMF, and when that happens, it means they will get nowhere near an election victory.
