Thank you both Pauls
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Sorry Alexander - you really are talking a load of ********* !!!!!!! Fill in the blank or blanks yourselves.
Ray gave a very back of fag packet figure based on some other works that work done elsewhere to give an indication of the size of the efforts that would be required, there is no science for it. To give you some idea about 15 years ago a figure of £20m was given to give the just the Drop Redoubt the full works, though a lot of work can be done for a smaller proportion of that to start making a substantial difference. As I mentioed , it cost £250,000+ to just do part of the Drop Redoubt repointing 20 years ago.
I'll try one last time to explain it to you as you seem to have problems getting to grips of it......
A developer MIGHT get permission to built limited (ask the developer to see the latest plans) number of houses and the hotel on the Western Heights with the major part of the works being done at Farthingloe. As part of the permission they would be required to hand over an amount of section 106 money that will go to local infrastructure like roads and schools, and in this case to enable a major difference to be made to the heritage.
This section 106 money COULD be £Xmillion, (but it depends on what volume of houses is allowed) which would be given to 'a body' (could be WHPS with charitable status) which could then be able to apply for match funding from the Heritage Lottery Fund which could increase this number by 10-fold.
This body would then be able to manage this money in order to do the repair work which will of course require professional expertise and manage this fund over a period of time to protect the heritage on an ongoing basis.
The developers won't do anything to the heritage as isn't theirs to repair they just contribute towards it. NO ONE PAYS THE DEVELOPER ANYTHING - THE DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTES TOWARDS THE REPAIRS TO THE HERITAGE !!!
You only need to walk around the Heights to realise it isn't a simple project. Sections of wall need replacing, a huge about need repointing, major tree works, and even there are bits where whole rifle galleries could eventually collapse from the walls if they are not pinned in place. If you want to see this let me know and I will show you.
As I have said the work is nowhere as easy as you try and make it out to be. It isn't just a matter of asking the HLF for a couple of million quid a year without proving major benefits to the community.
I think everyone else understands, I cannot see why you can't ??
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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No you won't Paul - your ********* didn't even start with a particular letter.
I thought it made a lot of sense.
Roger
Keith Sansum1
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the debate apopears to be will scotchie post or not?
already saying hes logging off back he comes
now hes off again.
now for me it's all up to individuals if they wish to post or not'
themore the merrier
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Theirs plenty of money, Osborne just gave away 10 billion,
Go to the city; say we have land in Dover with 16 million passing customers
Cum up with business plans to attracted all this passing potential trade,
Offer it to the big investors, Dover is unique it's the gate way to Europe from the UK
Go look at Ostend its council is trying to regenerate.
Its building entertainment canters casinos opening up for business d regulating.
It's having big public events like Glastonbury.
The only thing holding back Dover is the small thinking people running the places
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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To be quite honest, Paul, I'm interested in the green scenery of Western Heights, and the peace and quiet it conveys. I'd hate to see the Heights laid bare of trees, as if we were expecting an invasion and had to make the place barren in order to sweep the area with gunshot.
I do not think we should be spending money on repairing old walls of moats, but should rather remove the bricks altogether from areas where they are crumbling down, and leave the bear chalk.
That area where the barracks used to stand, near the Grand Shaft, and now has only slabs of concrete foundations, could be cleared and made into a botanic garden.
I wish we could build a lovely old-fashioned English church up there, made of flint stones, with arch-windows, and see flowers growing, and lovely flowery bushes.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Having said that, Paul, I'd like to remind you that I live just under Western Heights, I am home here, and it's the place of my childhood.
Leave me to my peace and quiet and let me enjoy my home place, don't concrete the area up, and leave our trees where they are.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Western Heights, our English Flag amid tress under a beautiful Kentish sky.
This is our Garden! These are our Heights!
May the Lord preserve our Heights!
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Relax guys..come along now..tut tut!
We cant be having fallouts.
Nice pcture there.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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lara you gone quiet
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Guest 685- Registered: 5 May 2009
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As a mere local historian who fought through the legal process successfully, to ensure that the Western Heights would be protected against wanton development such as further housing, hotels and leisure facilities, I am bemused that every so often some company or other puts forward similar plans to 'develop' the site.
Of interest, they all spout the same argument - the Regeneration of Dover - as if a development that the main access and egress leads directly to Folkestone, Ashford and beyond can be of benefit to Dover.
I was heartened to read, this morning, that the Dover worthies, Derek Leach and Terry Sutton in their book: Our town, Dover 1945-2000 p11 that they are in agreement with me, Lara and others who oppose the latest proposal, when on page 11 they write:
'One scheme that never made progress, revealed in 1969, was the development of Western Heights with homes, hotel and leisure facilities. Fortunately, the plans were rejected!'
Lorraine Sencicle
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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seems a few more coming out of the woodwork opposing the scheme
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Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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That book was published in 2003. As Derek Leach clearly pointed out twice at the Dover Society AGM last Monday the Society stance now is to await the final plans, but in principle, they may be prepared to accept some elements of the CGI development if it is in keeping with the area and can bring benefits to the heritage. Lorraine and Lara spoke against, but there were no other dissenting voices at the meeting that I recall.
Guest 685- Registered: 5 May 2009
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Yes Phil, both Lara and I did speak out opposing the latest scheme for Western Heights at the Dover Society AGM last Monday - of note this was the last meeting of the Dover Society before the summer recess.
I also agree, Derek (Leach) the Chairman also stated that the stance was to await the final plans - that will be published before the Society next convenes.
In the meantime, that D Society Executive will, no doubt, act on behalf of the members.
What concerns me, as an opponent to the scheme, is that unlike the past, where the Society has been in consultation with councillors, councillors are now part of the Executive.
It is no secret that DDC/DTC councillors want the development to go ahead. Indeed, DDC have set aside £20,000 to pay for legal fees and advice on the HANDOVER of land on Western Heights!
In other words, DDC councillors are giving away our Heritage and charging us council taxpayers for the right to do so.
To add insult to injury, our Amenity Society, whom we should rely to fight for our Heritage, in this case, is unlikely to.
Lorraine
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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it is always interesting to get the many varied views
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Good to see more people joining in on this topic, we need to make sure the local population is allowed to speak up and express their views.
The vast majority of people here in Dover are probably unaware of the encroaching development plans for Western Heights. I will be conducting a survey to see if people are aware, and what they think.
It's clear that we are being told that there are no other dissenting voices, but how many people are even asked? Phil, there are dissenting voices, I am a member of English Heritage and have already contacted them.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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there are a small number against the proposal alexander
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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If you're going to expand housing in Dover and the surrounding aria, you will have to provide the infrastructure and incentives for meaningful local employment.
Sae view accommodation and a hotel hardly fit the bill.
The majority of us do not have the luxury of a taxpayer funded wage packet
And pension.
