Labour party policy all along
- 22 August 2013 16:55241627
- Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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22 August 2013 17:19241629I wonder who has not made the headlines lately and wants some publicity.
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- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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22 August 2013 17:20241630taken with a pinch of salt. - 22 August 2013 17:35241632i cannot remember her saying anything that was remotely intelligent.
- 22 August 2013 18:11241639Well, this shitty little rag can print this...
"Ms Abbott claimed there was a lack of people at the top of the party willing to make the case for more immigration to the UK."
...and it can use quote after quote, but cannot find one to back up this claim.
The Guardian goes this far...
"However, she told the magazine that not enough Labour people at a senior level are making the case for immigration."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/aug/21/diane-abbott-labour-immigration-reform
KeithB, why not have the strength of your true convictions? Are you not more suited to the BNP?Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 22 August 2013 18:27241642This from http://politics.co.uk/news/2013/08/22/labour-frontbencher-hits-out-at-miliband-over-immigration
Labour frontbencher hits out at Miliband over immigration
Thursday, 22 August 2013 7:24 AM By Ian Dunt
Ed Miliband is too concerned with poll ratings to adopt a principled stand on immigration, Diane Abbott has said.
The Labour shadow health minister said the party was danger of entering into a "downward spiral" with the Tories on immigration, after Australian election strategist Lynton Crosby joined David Cameron's team...
..."So I think Ed himself means well and is doing his best but as a party we should do more because, it's what I said, it's a downward spiral."
The Home Office's attitude to immigration has noticeably hardened recently, with tweets of immigration raids, spot checks by UK Border Agency staff and a mobile van telling illegal immigrants in certain boroughs of London to "go home".
Some cite Crosby as the likely source of the initiatives. In a 2001 federal election in Australia, he was said to be responsible for the false claim by some ministers that a boat of asylum seekers had thrown their own children overboard.
"I think he's going to be a very toxic influence on the type of general election campaign we're going to have and I think Cameron should sack him," Abbott said...
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Nowhere is there any mention of a drive towards increased immigration. It seems to me to be an argument against the Politics of Hate.
No wonder the right-wing of UKIP is so upset.Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 22 August 2013 18:42241647from one of your links tom.
The shadow health minister said her boss "means well" but called on the party to do more to make the case in favour of immigration. - 22 August 2013 18:56241653So what Howard?Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
- 22 August 2013 19:52241655As can be plainly seen from the Express link in #1, the operative word is 'MORE', and nowhere else, but in the Expresses own words, does Abbott or anybody say they are in favour of or/and pushing for 'more' of anything other than backbone on the part of their leader.
It is what Abbot perceives as the fell hand of Lynton Crosby in the coalition's patronising and pathetic recent push to "send them home" that she rails against.
Which of us can deny the positive role played by immigrants;both to Dover and to the UK in general?Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 22 August 2013 20:06241659tom
one does not make a case for the past only the future.
it is nothing to do with positive/negative roles. - 22 August 2013 20:21241661Who says Howard?
Stick to the damn point. Where is Abbott quoted calling for an increase in immigration?
To move off from this single issue is to nod off to a dreamland that (perhaps) voting for a right-winger will mean that a wall will be build around our shores. Then we Jocks can FO back to where we came from and the Paddy the same. Then maybe the Welsh, then the Tikes, the Geordies...Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 22 August 2013 21:30241666Tom tom cool down
You cannot just start attacking your fellow members, it's not gentlemanly
I see an article and give it to the forum for debate
My problem with immigration is one of lowering of the wages of the poor
du to over supply of the labour market
Millions of perfectly good people feel the same as me.
Your local MP may have been misquoted, it constantly happens to ukip spokesmen all the time.
Maybe I am wrong,
Maybe the labour party never opened the floodgates with the intensions of rubbing our noses in diversity?
You should apologies for your slur on my good ,,self .
- 22 August 2013 21:46241667indeed keith, tom's outbursts are out of order and the bnp slur was particularly nasty.
- 22 August 2013 22:29241669I am calm enough, I assure you.
-So, you light the touch paper and retire. Or perhaps instead of debate 'we' were supposed to argue over the merits of newspaper reporting?
-Or you choose, Keith, to magnify the papers error in misquoting (or making it up as it went along) the intent of Ms. Abbott for your own political ends.
Whatever you hoped to achieve, this is what you got.
'The slur'.
Take it any way you wish, I often quote from a newspaper and have my political stance identified from that. I merely enquired if I were to do the same to you. You often sail close to the wind of outright racism Keith, at least that is how I read the situation, and when you leave it to The Daily Express to do your talking for you, I think it only right that the question be put.Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 22 August 2013 22:38241670tom Define racism
Then explain haw it applies to me ? - 22 August 2013 22:46241671Why, don't you have a dictionary of your own Keith?Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
- 22 August 2013 22:50241672KeithB, surely you realise that if anyone (not of the Left) raises the subject of immigration controls, there will be an automatic rabid chorus of: "Racist! Racist!".I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- 22 August 2013 23:13241675I don't even think tom is on the keyboard to knight
Maybe he's on holiday and one of his friends is keeping the lights on
Regarding right wing left wing thing ,
I don't consider my self in any of these extremes
There both equally dangers to democracy
I see right and wrong,
I see good examples capitalism and good examples of socialism
And I attack the bad in both.
You must all agree I am a pain in the ass to all sides. - 23 August 2013 09:57241697Actually, I took myself off, about 11pm, to watch a movie about immigrants doing down the natives:Red Hill...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1530983/
And, I don't think Right and Left has anything to do with Democracy. The Politics we 'enjoy' in the UK is a side show, something to do while Democracy takes place elsewhere.
And, I am certain that UKIP aids and abets the anti-democratic political faction even more than it assists this non-democratic mainstream.
Yes, the reality of the detrimental effects of our long-established open-door immigration policy has found traction, the voice of reason -that has been crying out louder and louder still- is now being heard.
[It's a bit like trying to get a point across to a friend in a Disco, when all of a sudden the music stops, and all the whole room hears is a snippet of what was being screamed into the ear of the person sat in a nearby seat.]
So, the voice of sanity is at last heard, but is it being listened to?
I say that the voice of sanity is not being listened to, it is being exploited. Utilised by those who now have a use for it, not because it makes the same sense now as it always did, simply as a distraction.
The presence of UKIP on the political stage is not 'a plague on both your houses', it is an undeniable boon to the worst sections of either so-called 'wing'.
Leaving the EU is precisely the wrong thing to do, especially with regard to immigration.
If ever the British public are again at the mercy of an 'unregulated' and omnipotent Westminster Parliament the likely phrase that the British worker will hear is...
"As soon as you British work for twopence, all those who refuse to work for a penny can go back to where they came from."Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 24 August 2013 11:30241775Still no apology to your rantings then tom?