howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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try to be more charitable barry, the lad you speak of may have come from a broken home.
on the other hand it might have been him that broke it.
Rehab is not a soft option. I am not disagreeing that there is a lot wrong with the current system, some of which is imposed by successive governments of all shades, mostly as a sop to people like you (BarryW) whingeing rather than in a measured and purposeful way! But we really need to focus on the purpose and how to achieve what we want to achieve rather than bounce around jerking our knees and continuing to fail.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
errrr Bern....
No, not as a sop to people like me. Blimey I wish they did have people like me deciding these issues........ That yob would not have been boasting like that!
I am not arguing! It is very frustrating. But we need to be really grown up and make positive choices about this and not keep flip-flopping about in line with trendy thought and political expediency.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I wont argue with that one Bern.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
I don;t know if im unwell, but i find myself agreeing mostly with barryw on this thread!!!!! lol
prison should be a place no one wants to go, very basic facilities
but opportunity to gain better privilidges if behave for all the sentence
everyone, no matter what background knows the dfference between right and wrong, and please no one give me the sob story of broken home or one parent or whatever.
when i was young, we were poor, but going to prison was never an option considered by me
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Mostly it is not a lifestyle choice. It isn't anywhere near as simple as a short sharp shock or a bit of a hard time, nothing to do with sob stories, and I would probably challenge the simplistic notion of understanding "right from wrong". For some the choice isn't that clear. I hold no brief for people who do bad stuff, but if we want to change bad stuff happening we need to understand how to achieve that. Banging people up without considering what happens as a consequence will achieve almost the exact opposite of what we all want. Most people leaving prison return instantly to exactly the situation that led them there, sometimes they return to the streets, almost always it is impossible to get a job.They leave the prison gates and that is that. I am not advocating giving away property and jobs willy-nilly, but unless and until we have ways to enable people to change lifestyle we will continue to have recidivists and newly minted re-offenders.Those of us lucky enough to live mainstream lives have no concept of what life can be like for people in other situations. Fortunately there are people and organisations who understand this, but they are often under-funded and under-appreciated. This really is a priority.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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BERN;
I suppose all this should be looked at, but far to many do gooders get in the way
and the victims end up being the ones who feel they were in the wrong.
(for being the unlucky victim!!!)
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Sorry, Keith, I disagree with your first statement. People who try to do the unpopular thing of actually addressing issues that will change things rather than simply agree with the bang em up Sun "readers" are often labelled as "do-gooders" which absolves people from the need to properly examine the real issues and maybe change their minds. I have asked this before: what is the alternative to a "do-gooder"? A "do-badder"? I know what I prefer. In fact, a few more do-gooders would help - a few more people with the guts to challenge the perceived view and take a stand. Doing good does not equate to being soft - my experience is that those who really do try to change things meaningfully are considerably braver and stronger than those who take the easy way of simply agreeing with the thoughtless majority.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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BERN;
And this forum is all about different points of view, just like this thread.
and that's healthy in itself.
we will just have to disagree on this one
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,894
I believe it is all to do with an offender's character whether they reoffend or not and it is very difficult, if not impossible, to change character.
It is nothing to do with background otherwise those from a good two parent, nice home and no money problem background would never turn to crime, sadly some do.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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It plays a part, but the overwhelming reasons for reoffending are habit and lack of realistic alternatives. If you leave those gates with no address and a record what are the real odds of changing your lifestyle? Would it be more comforting to return, therefore, to people who understand that and can make use of you, as before? What is the incentive to try to change if the odds are against that? There is more to this than carrot and stick, but you get the point.
For character reference I cite Jeffrey Archer.............
