howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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20 August 2010
19:2366356#1
a new government idea proposes a cut in benefits to druggies and alkies that do not seek treatment.
could be a tricky one, each one costs the state i.e. us 50 grand per annum.
clearly if they are not doing anything about their problem and have no intention of looking for gainful employment then they should really receive nothing.
however they still have to live so crime would be a near certainty the only way they could survive.
any ideas on this one?
Jan Higgins
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20 August 2010
19:3166358#2
Yes!!!
The out of work junkies and alkies will work hard at raising the crime figures.
Blackmailing them will do no good at all if they do not want to kick their habits.
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Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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20 August 2010
19:3166359#3
Yes Howard.
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20 August 2010
19:3366360#4
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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20 August 2010
19:3566363#5
i knew this would kick start a serious debate.
melissa the crime figures will be unaffected, not many people bother to report crimes, even if they do it does not mean they will be recorded.
20 August 2010
19:3766364#6
There is no doubt that people with addictions deprived of the means to fund them will do anything it takes to get those means. This proposal has soooo not been thought through and advice from those who know has been bypassed.........
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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20 August 2010
19:5266369#7
What is the nature of the advice that has been bypassed Bern?
20 August 2010
20:0566370#8
That people who have addictions are not rational, and there is a real risk of increased proper crime and violence, and there are better ways of doing it!!!
Ross Miller
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20 August 2010
21:2966391#9
I think that they should do what GMP do with their regular burglary and twocking clientèle, which is regularly stop them for a "chat", randomly visit them at home etc. just to make their lives inconvenient and make them aware that the police are watching them
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Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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20 August 2010
21:3066392#10
I agree with what you say Bern and in particular that the policy has not been thought through properly.
Any addiction is a problem, firstly many alcoholics are in denial and refuse to accept the fact that they have a problem, secondly a drug addict is probably already stealing to feed his/hers addiction and to stop benefits would mean that they would steal more.
As for better means of dealing with it that is a difficult one. Statistics show that very few heroin addicts can give up the habit permanently and simply return to their old ways. The same applies to an alcoholic, although the success rate is somewhat better.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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20 August 2010
21:3966395#11
Well Dave I have been dry for over 20 years now - but it does help having a good job and a great partner to support me
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"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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20 August 2010
22:4166408#12
we must remember that many addicts live normal lives and hold down good jobs.
the city of london is home to many of them.
what we are talking about are those on benefits.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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21 August 2010
00:0566421#13
Geoffrey Bacon was a 90 year old war veteran from Camberwell in London, not far from Kings College hospital. On 26th April last, a black person broke into his home, and beat and kicked him on the floor, and fled with £40 and his bus pass. He never recovered, he died a couple of days ago, and police have offered a £20,000 reward for his assailent. This area is notorious for druggies, and many hospital beds taken up to accommodate this scum. We need a vigilante or a hanging to rid the place of them. I place no value whatsoever on this form of human life.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
21 August 2010
07:4266426#14
I am confident that to manage the problem we need to see that the term "addict" covers many forms. Addicts are not rational - the need for the substance outweighs other matters - but also may not be criminals - at least not the kind that get caught! Addicts can be charming or ruthless, shabby or wealthy.......the common characteristic is the addiction and the drive for it.
It is not a simple matter, and addicts are not all scum - the guy who killed the elder in London may or may not have been an addict, whatever, he is now a killer. Some addicts will do anyting for their habit, some don't need to. If there are no benefits coming in it will create a need. Yes, we can do it better!
21 August 2010
09:3966445#15
Howard are you telling me off?????
Guest 643- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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21 August 2010
10:1666449#16
Mel - he wouldn't dare
There's always a little truth behind every "Just kidding", a little emotion behind every "I don't care" and a little pain behind every "I'm ok".
21 August 2010
10:1966450#17
Off with their heads!
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21 August 2010
13:2166492#20
Dear Bern according to your post no8 there are better ways to treat addicts??
Have we at last stumbled upon the one person in all the world who has the ultimate answer to the problem??
You state in your post that you obviously have the solution, I trust you wont go all coy on us and tell us how exactly these "Better ways" work??
You never know you could end up being loved by the addicts, but more importantly you could be loved by the poor tax payer who has to put up with this scourge.
