Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,709
#21
Howard this dispute was started by the government announcing in 2012 they wished to change doctors contracts - not the other way round as you intimate. the talks broke down in 2014, then in 2015 Hunt decided to impose the contract on doctors unilaterally.
The new contract from the government sought to remove weekend supplements from Sunday working, hardly a case of Doctors asking for more money
Also the government has tried to manipulate sentiment by renaming what used to be called House Doctors to Junior Doctors; in fact this term covers every hospital doctor from when they graduate from Uni through to the completion of speciality training anything up to 9 years after graduation. Hardly junior in many cases is it...these people are often leading medical teams and making key decisions about your healthcare in hospital. they are highly skilled and qualified professionals who ought to be treated with dignity and respect.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#22
Regardless of the precursors to this current escalation, the simple fact is that the junior doctors are now trying to hold the nation's health service to ransom. Which is categorically, professionally and morally wrong!
I hold doctors in the highest regard but when less than 1 in 3 voted for strike action in an old ballot that is now being used to justify 5 consecutive days of strike action a month until the end of the year my sympathy has run out. Even their senior colleagues are condemning it.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
#23
FWIW here's the facts behind the dispute. Most of what we hear is, as ever, noise.
https://fullfact.org/health/junior-doctors-pay-short-introduction-dispute/
Personally I find it ridiculous that the massive investment we have in equipment and buildings is not in use at weekends.
To put 'our' investment into 24/7 use, yes, we shall need consultants, radiographers, pharmacists etc working over the weekends.
The first move towards this is with the pay reform being offered to the Junior Doctors which will NOT cause a drop in salary OR increase hours worked (which have already been reduced by the UK Working Time Regulations) but WILL reduce the financial incentive of Health Service Providers (dread phrase!) NOT to employ them at weekends due to the premiums being paid now for Sat/Sun working.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#24
Ross Miller wrote:Oh dear so trying to protect your employment and ensuring that you have safe working conditions and practices whilst also trying to ensure that there is adequate cover for your patients is somehow wrong?
I would argue that putting your patients life at risk or causing them to live with unnecessary pain by withdrawing your expertise simply because you do not like your new contract (which the BMA agreed with) is completely wrong.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#25
Both the main political parties are using the dispute for their own ends, surprisingly the public are in full support of the junior doctors again.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#26
"the public are in full support of the junior doctors again."
Well that is what we are being told by the media how true it is we do not know as it all depends on who you ask.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#27
A sky customer poll of a proportionally representative sample of 1055 people.
Some details: the south was only region to oppose strike, 3 groups who opposed are Asian comfortable middle class, young educated including students, poor in council housing.
The strongest support was unsurprisingly London and surprisingly their biggest customer, poor pensioners on low income in council housing.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#28
It might be a good idea to ask those questioned if they support the Tory Government or are Labour supporters and that should include those at the BMA who voted for the strike.
I now agree with the Prime Minister and think this now a political strike rather than about the doctors and their demands.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
#29
I agree the Drs, the support they had is getting smaller they have just had a a big pay rise,a lot higher then any other group, and why should they not work at weekends there is many that do and they do not get any ex pay for doing it.They are playing about with the public life,s in their hands.
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